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Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by h2odragon on Saturday October 02, 2021 @07:46AM (#28727823)
Even when the only possible "consumer goods" was a rock, there were luxury rocks.

"What were they used for?" is asked like there's only one answer. They were probably used for anything else a rock is useful for, but being nicely sized for a hand, pretty, etc made them easier to use, more effective, or just flashier.

AFAIK the class of objects referred to here don't share a lot of qualities that would make them a class in other contexts; there's no single shape, some have wear that may indicate original uses, etc etc. It just appears to be some of the early personal artifacts that people valued that are durable enough to see today.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by progre on Sunday October 03, 2021 @12:18PM (#28738272)
All my kids have brought home rocks that were deemed special in some way when they where about 5 years old . I guess at that age we somehow start to get around the idea of "owning" things in a more involved way, and it feels nice to have something special, like a nice round rock. Maybe stonage kids felt that way too.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by anonporridge on Sunday October 03, 2021 @06:31PM (#28741095)
It's probably an evolutionary adaptation.

Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more likely to happen to have just the right thing for surprise challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who didn't care about special things, because by definition they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can solve the problem drastically more efficiently than everyone else.

At the same time, mundane things aren't worth collecting because it's easy for anyone to go out and get it, so there exists no advantage for the collector.

Therefore, if individuals who collected rare things ended up with more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive success, it also makes sense that young humans would do the same early on and that collecting rare things regardless of their utility is one of the most important status signals.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by h2odragon on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:11PM (#28741353)
I will tell my wife, next time she asks, that my pile of electronic junk will lead to us and our offspring having "more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive success."

Wish me luck.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by anonporridge on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:44PM (#28741552)
RIP your penis, player.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by SamPatt on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:37PM (#28741837)
In our current society being technologically adept probably does get you more luck with women over a lifetime than most professions.

While a hoard of electronics may not have an instant connection to status like a fancy car, it's probably correlated to other attributes which are rapidly become more more valued.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by anonporridge on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:42PM (#28741853)
Reading this over the cacophony of panties dropping was a challenge.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by vkou on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:44PM (#28741555)
> Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more likely to happen to have just the right thing for surprise challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who didn't care about special things, because by definition they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can solve the problem drastically more efficiently that everyone else.

This is a beautiful story, but I can draft an equally beautiful, completely contradictory[1] story about how prehistoric individuals that wasted time collecting cool but useless rocks were less likely to have just the right thing for surprise challenges, because they directed their efforts towards hoarding useless bling. [2]

Here's my explanation - and bear with me, here.

Some people collect weird things.

That trait sometimes does, and sometimes does not result in an evolutionary or cultural advantage.

Making definitive statements about where this set of weird things falls on the spectrum above is just blindly guessing in the dark.

[1] Which is why beautiful, hand-wavy stories that explain the behaviour of people tens of thousands of years dead are largely useless for understanding that behaviour.

[2] If I were given the choice between asking for help dealing with a surprise challenge, and my options were two people, one of whom I know collects Funko Pops, and the other one does not, knowing nothing else about those individuals, I'm not going to bias my selection towards the former.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by jbotz on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:16PM (#28741709)
We are tool makers and users. We evolved to be this... we are not alone in this, but we are (a lot) better at it than any other animals on this planet. And a tool-maker needs materials, and the best materials aren't available everywhere... any old rock may serve as a hammer in a cinch, but not just any rock can be turned into a sharp hand axe. You need something knappable, like quality flint. Pretty hard to find.

Given this, the story that collecting potentially useful materials is an evolved instinct makes a lot more sense than your story. Some of us have it more than others; I find it really hard to resist picking up something that looks like it might be useful and taking it with me. It comes from a place deeper than my conscious appreciation of beauty. Feels like pure instinct.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by anonporridge on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:48PM (#28741581)
Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful.

If your story is true, then you would expect the trait of collecting useless bling to have died out a long time ago, or at least not be as prevalent as it is today.

And by the way, you could extend my story to not just being about collecting lots of physical things, but also seemingly useless information and skills. Rare knowledge and rare abilities aren't a huge leap from rare physical resources.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by vkou on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:59PM (#28741625)
> Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful.

Sure it does. The explanatory power is that not all human traits have a strong impact on evolutionary fitness, either on the individual level, or on the social level.

Unless conclusively demonstrated otherwise (which a story composed post-facto is not), this is all meaningless noise.

The first thing about knowing something is being clear about the limitations of that knowledge. Just-so stories have no such limitation, which is why they come up so often as unfalsifiable nonsense. They can explain everything and anything, and therefore, explain nothing. All they are is a vehicle for repeating the biases of the storyteller.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by h2odragon on Sunday October 03, 2021 @12:26PM (#28738320)
My child is a teen now. The last time I said to her, "hey i found this cool rock, you want it?" was last week :)
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by 123pie123 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @04:10PM (#28740123)
I still like looking at nice interesting rocks or pebbles and I'm way older than a teenager

finding the pure white and very black ones and arranging them in patterns or matching piles is some what interesting*

*when I'm forced to go to a beach and told to enjoy myself for hours on end whilst looking after the kids

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by pengaru on Sunday October 03, 2021 @04:42PM (#28740351)
There's a rock shop in Joshua Tree that regularly has a line out the door on weekends, or at least did pre-pandemic.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by ganonm on Sunday October 03, 2021 @06:59PM (#28741270)
To provide some contemporary evidence to support your hypothesis that there were "luxury rocks" and that humans would be interested in such things, here is a gallery of various skins for a handheld rock in the videogame Rust. One of them costs $68

https://rust.esportinfo.gg/skins/tools/rock

Humans haven't changed all that much since the Neolithic...

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by asdfge4drg on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:31PM (#28741477)
"What were they used for?" is asked like there's only one answer.

- the author literally goes to lengths to explain that they believe they had multiple purposes at different places/times. It's like you didn't actually read the article...

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by Zuider on Sunday October 03, 2021 @04:15PM (#28740159)
They are all roughly spherical, so they could be cooking stones. Heated in a fire, they can be then rolled into a pit which contains the food and water, allowing the food to be boiled slowly without burning.

https://www.thoughtco.com/stone-boiling-ancient-cooking-meth...

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by gerdesj on Sunday October 03, 2021 @05:41PM (#28740753)
"Also, most of the 20 balls that have been found in the Orkney Islands are carved and etched with patterns and designs. These, on the other hand, were polished smooth."

It seems that these orbs are "complicated". A cooking stone as you describe is unlikely to be decorated. Do you inscribe your kettle! I have never heard of a quern being decorated either.

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by h2odragon on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:21PM (#28741414)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quern-stone#Ornament_and_inscr...

Grain millers had fierce debates about what patterns worked best on what stones and for which grains. some grooves are of great functional benefit, but then beyond that ...

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by heavyset_go on Sunday October 03, 2021 @05:58PM (#28740854)
Major religions and people of the past found great significance in their food and sources of food, so I wouldn't find it strange that significance and ornamentation would be applied to what's used to prepare that food.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by cloudking on Sunday October 03, 2021 @12:11PM (#28738233)
Now we have valuable digital rocks https://etherrock.com/

Full circle?

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by edoceo on Sunday October 03, 2021 @12:18PM (#28738269)
Oh, that's not a joke.
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by taylorfinley on Monday October 04, 2021 @02:12AM (#28743598)
No, some of the rarest rocks in the world, several of which have sold for over $2.5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherRock

Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by INTPenis on Sunday October 03, 2021 @02:25PM (#28739334)
Even today people collect nice looking rocks, or minerals even. And I know that poor people would leave pebbles at altars when doing pilgrimage. So is it really so far fetched to say that these rocks were tactile enough for someone to keep them?
Re:Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain by dirkt on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:50AM (#28743487)
> Even when the only possible "consumer goods" was a rock

Lots of other "consumer goods" made of more perishable materials just do not have survived...