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Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by reducesuffering on Friday October 01, 2021 @11:51PM (#28725813)
The market has shown it's ill-equiped? I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

There are zoning codes everywhere, environmental review, city permits, etc, that the small amount of successful projects will of course be the minimal low hanging fruit. Literally all of this problem is "the state."

Let people build buildings on their own land. It will supply far more housing than any state backed affordable housing and will break the housing-as-investment pitfall by breaking the supply-constraint that causes people to treat it that way.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by sandworm101 on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:11AM (#28725893)
>> Let people build buildings on their own land.

All land is owned subject to the laws that govern its potential uses. Land that is open to more uses is more valuable than land that is not. Land that can be subdivided is worth more than land that cannot. Allowing people to build more houses on "their own land" is a wonderful gift to land owners. It increases the value of their property. But that exacerbates the problem. A trend towards greater freedom to develop real estate means it is, yet again, only a more attractive investment vehicle.

Rather than "let them build", perhaps we should consider "thou shalt build" or "thou shalt rent". Laws that demand certain real estate owners do X or Y could not only increase the number of rental units but also diminish the attractiveness of unoccupied or unused real estate as an investment vehicle.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by ajmurmann on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:45AM (#28726027)
If you want to diminish attractiveness of unused land, a land tax might help. Much better than the state trying to micromanage what gets done. Just set the right incentive structure.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by WalterBright on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:42AM (#28726016)
Um, people building more houses means more supply which means lower prices. Nobody has yet managed to repeal the law of supply and demand.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by adgjlsfhk1 on Saturday October 02, 2021 @01:00AM (#28726099)
The problem is that in high demand areas, it can be profitable for people to buy property purely as speculation without ever having people live there.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by reducesuffering on Saturday October 02, 2021 @01:06AM (#28726121)
As I pointed out earlier, this problem is solved by adding building supply to balance out the supply-demand imbalance causing property to appreciate and be a source of speculation. No one will "invest" in real estate if adequate supply causes no price increases. Any ad-hoc state involved bandaids like rent-control, foreign ownership laws, etc. are unnecessary.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by bluefirebrand on Saturday October 02, 2021 @01:31AM (#28726220)
Land and Real Estate has other aspects of the demand aside from just "a roof over your head" though. Location and other factors play into it in a big way. For instance if you have a parcel of undeveloped land at a lakeshore, the supply isn't "all land available in the region", it's "All land along that lakeshore" which is a much smaller supply. And lakes are generally a desirable place to live, so the demand is likely high.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by reducesuffering on Saturday October 02, 2021 @02:10AM (#28726374)
It doesn't really matter that there are exceptions where some areas are naturally more desirable because land isn't fungible. What matters is that there are available housing units approaching the limit of construction cost pricing so that people can have a place to live without being affected by luxuries like "wanting a lakefront home."
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by bluefirebrand on Saturday October 02, 2021 @02:32PM (#28730866)
My point isn't that there aren't some exceptions it's that there are tons, maybe literally hundreds or thousands of factors into the supply/demand equation here.

what kind of internet is available in the area? How close are you to grocery stores? Is there a HOA that you have to pay dues to? What's the weather like? Is the home up to date or is the wiring and plumbing likely to need a lot of work? How big is the lot? How walkable is the neighbourhood? Is it near a smelly dump? What's the crime rate like? What are the schools in the area like, how close are they? How much access is there to transit?

It's not as simple as just "Build more housing" society also has to adequately service the people who want to live in that housing. If our lower income housing is all just bare minimum roof over your head and no access to anything then no one will want to live there, which also means that supply will not affect the demand on housing that has better access to amenities.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by reducesuffering on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:11AM (#28742967)
Internet infrastructure, closeness to grocery stores, homes being up to date, walk-ability, close schools, access to transit, are all improved by building more dense housing.

We can also be quite certain that providing the bare minimum housing pulls in demand from those more luxurious options (wants) to the more economically practical option (needs), because the bare minimum option was never available. We'd be giving people more choices and at least some would take it.

Then if you have so many people that "demand" a certain standard of luxury housing, then they will have to compete and pay the premiums for the actual limited resources like lakefront property or great schools (living near other like-minded wealthier people). That's the realities of scarce resources, and is fine, since there's not much we can improve there. But the major gap is providing the bare minimum of housing which we are currently not doing.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by ac29 on Saturday October 02, 2021 @03:07PM (#28731107)
How do you add building supply when there is no undeveloped land? There are no empty lots in high demand areas.

You'd have to increase density, and most places it will be difficult to displace people from their homes to tear them down and redevelop them.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by nightski on Saturday October 02, 2021 @05:02PM (#28732049)
Make other areas more attractive?
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by colordrops on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:11AM (#28725896)
It's a common fallacy to look at a heavily regulated market and blame "the market" in general. What makes it worse is supposed "free market" advocates that instead selectively deregulate in their favor. But the market can be corrected by selectively deregulating in favor of the disadvantaged too. It just doesnt happen very often due to the nature of the of the people in power.
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by 8note on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:58AM (#28726090)
The market will always favour the advantaged. Correcting that out means getting rid of the market
Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by dragonwriter on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:15AM (#28725912)
> But the market can be corrected by selectively deregulating in favor of the disadvantaged too.

Only to the extent that existing regulation favors the advantaged more than the market naturally does, which tends to make that approach quite limited in potential.

Re:Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on st... by droptablemain on Saturday October 02, 2021 @01:49AM (#28726294)
"The market has shown it's ill-equiped? I don't know how you came to that conclusion."

Well, we could start with the fact that there are roughly 25 empty housing units in the U.S. for every homeless person.

Housing a very basic human need.