Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by mrweasel on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:54PM
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I tried to buy a car without AC, but as it turns out that’s almost impossible. They had never imported that model without AC and the waiting time was pretty long, because they where not really built in large numbers.
The models without AC mostly exist so they can produce ads saying “available from less than X“
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by CamperBob2 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:43PM
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What's the point of buying a car without A/C? You might save $1000 now, but you'll lose several thousand at trade-in time because no one else will want your car.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by ok123456 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @05:26PM
(#28711510)
No parasitic power losses and it's one less system that needs to be maintained.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by tms2x2 on Friday October 01, 2021 @10:11AM
(#28718655)
AC is used for windshield defrost. I remember waiting for heat to defrost the windshield so I could see. AC defrost works in 10 sec.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by nikau on Saturday October 02, 2021 @08:17AM
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The power loss from an AC compressor with the clutch disengaged is negligible.
Modern AC also use variable displacement compressors which adjust load according to temperature, so once the cabin is cool they use a constant small amount of engine power rather than toggling to full power on and off like older designs.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by mensetmanusman on Thursday September 30, 2021 @06:55PM
(#28712298)
For driving indoors.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by CamperBob2 on Friday October 01, 2021 @01:23PM
(#28721199)
I'm trying to think of a case where regular passenger cars are driven in climate-controlled indoor settings, and I'm not having much success. What do you have in mind?
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by mensetmanusman on Friday October 01, 2021 @10:24PM
(#28725410)
Teslas in the Las Vegas hyper loop.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by CamperBob2 on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:25AM
(#28725954)
Even those are going to be taken out of service and sold into the used market at some point. When that happens, trying to sell a car without A/C in the Las Vegas area is going to be about as successful as trying to sell a swift kick in the gonads.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by mrweasel on Friday October 01, 2021 @01:31AM
(#28714946)
That depend on your country. I would save closer to $2500 on the budget model. Other than that you are completely right.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by thriftwy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:56PM
(#28709854)
What's the point of keyless entry? Mine comes with key, and yhe auxiliary immobilizer which will not let it drive without radio tag or typing in PIN.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by Ekaros on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:45PM
(#28710468)
Ease of use. I would love if I could just leave key in my pocket and not worry about opening doors or putting it in ignition. I could even connect it to my keychain.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by thriftwy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:53PM
(#28710548)
I wonder if nobody did ssh+nfc keys yet. At least I could trust it.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by Ekaros on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:57PM
(#28710606)
SSH+NFC sound like horrible protocol choice for such token.
Not that I would be against option to periodically rekey the whole system. Generate new pair of private keys and have the car and key swap them with my approval.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by thriftwy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:33PM
(#28710985)
You don't need to ever rekey an SSH private-public key pair. Still, a single hands-free token can be taken by force or stolen.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by Ekaros on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:37PM
(#28711029)
So can car key... I don't really have a car and probably never will were I truly worried that it was essentially single factor authentication.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by thriftwy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:40PM
(#28711046)
But the car key + separate wireless immobilizer token is 2FA and it makes me somewhat confident.
WRT keyless entry, I actually have figured it out. Central wireless lock is cool. It's keyless start that I'm opposed to.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by Ekaros on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:44PM
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And how often you keep those separate and operate the car? Can you even safely store one in safe place and still use the car? Or is there more factors. Which then increases the potential failure cases. And I prefer really not to involve anything like pin codes, fingerprints, facial recognition needed for me to drive my own car.
Re:Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant un...
by thriftwy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:54PM
(#28711181)
Fingerprints and facial recognition is circus, but physical token is a real thing, and I do keep it separate from my car keys
So out of your list that leaves..
GPS (already optional on most cars) Ass warmers (already optional on most cars) Telemetry (this could be removed from models that have it, not all cars sold today have telemetry) USB chargers (really don't think USB chargers are causing a production shortage at this moment) Proximity Sensors (already optional on budget cars) Keyless entry (could be removed, I doubt many people would buy a new car without keyless entry tho) Remote climate control (already optional on budget cars)