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Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by nradov on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @08:28PM (#28701825)
CDC estimates do show a 99.9% survival rate for the 18-49 age group. Survival rates do decline for the older age groups.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, it's the smart thing to do. But vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. They may be somewhat less contagious but we don't have clear data on that yet.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by lovich on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:21PM (#28702843)
I feel like you read part of my response and then wrote yours immediately.

You are talking about how the vaccinated can spread the virus, which is I agree is true, but ignoring that they can only spread the virus when they get a breakthrough infection. The vaccine massively limits the chance of being infected.

If you cannot recognize the fact that the change of infecting someone else is a function with two variables where x*y where x is a Boolean of isInfected and y is a floating point of chanceOfBeingInfected then I don’t know how we can continue talking as you are in a different reality than I am.

If you get the vaccine your y value in the previous function drops dramatically. If you only look at the x value then of course you won’t see a value in getting vaccinated because you are ignoring the effects of vaccinating

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by nradov on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:02AM (#28706418)
CDC data shows that breakthrough infections are common. Since the virus is now endemic in the worldwide human population and can't be eradicated, all of us can expect to be exposed to it multiple times in our lives (just like the other 4 endemic human coronaviruses). Whether we're exposed by a vaccinated or unvaccinated individual is irrelevant.

Since exposure is inevitable, the smart move is to get vaccinated yourself. And take other steps to maximize your odds of surviving a breakthrough infection.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by lovich on Thursday September 30, 2021 @11:01AM (#28707149)
> CDC data shows that breakthrough infections are common

What do you mean by common? Do you mean that it happens or that it’s the same rate of infection as being unvaccinated? Your argument only works if the breakthrough infections are as “common” as getting infected without the vaccine.

> Whether we're exposed by a vaccinated or unvaccinated individual is irrelevant

But it is relevant that the chance of a vaccinated individual being contagious is _massively_ lower. You can’t argue that breakthrough infections of vaccinated individuals exist, so therefore coming into contact with a vaccinated person is as risky as coming into contact with an unvaccinated person.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by nradov on Thursday September 30, 2021 @11:13AM (#28707298)
You're not thinking this through clearly. Zoom out and consider longer time periods.

For any single interaction, your risk of virus transmission is probably lower with a vaccinated individual than with an unvaccinated individual (although the magnitude of the difference is unclear). But unless you're living as a hermit you're going to be in contact with thousands of people over the next several years. Some of those people will be infected and contagious. So you will inevitably be exposed multiple times.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by lovich on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:02PM (#28709164)
The length of time does not matter when talking about infection rates and population groups.

If you have two population groups A and B and A has a massively lower infection rate then population group A is not going to have the virus surge through the entire population.

But this is all veering off my original point that you can’t claim bodily autonomy as a reason/right to not take preventative measures like the vaccine if you aren’t actually being autonomous.