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Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by dlivingston on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @08:09PM (#28701671)
I hate that sub with a passion, I really do. Morbid schadenfreude at the deceased under a thin disguise of “awareness of the dangers of being anti-vax.”
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by sellyme on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @10:17PM (#28702480)
When someone's actively trying to get those around them killed, I find it difficult to criticise anyone for not being too distressed by their passing.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by dlivingston on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:17AM (#28703128)
My issues are with the mocking, the doxxing, and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.”
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by sellyme on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:27AM (#28703185)
> the mocking

It's perfectly reasonable to have a distaste for this, but I am curious as to if you take issue with this because the person in question is deceased, or if you just take issue with mocking someone under all circumstances.

> the doxxing

I can't say I've seen any of that. Admittedly I only ever see posts from that subreddit when they show up on r/all, so maybe it gets cleaned up on popular posts, but everything I've seen on the subreddit is just directly screenshotted from social media.

> and the general atmosphere of “the vermin are extinguishing themselves and the world is better for it.”

This one is really just a matter of your opinion on trolley problems. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by ziml77 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @08:38AM (#28705601)
> I'm pretty sure just about everyone on that subreddit would prefer the individuals in question have a sudden inspiration of critical thought and save their own lives.

That's backed up by the praise for people who post there saying they've changed their opinion.

I'm not going to lie and claim the feeling of schadenfreude isn't a factor, but it's more than that. The other reason that subreddit is happy about anti-vaxxers dying is because it means one less person spreading anti-vax sentiments (actually more since their family may stop too).

However, the subreddit isn't calling for anti-vaxxers to be killed. The deaths of anti-vaxxers who die for reasons other than COVID are not celebrated.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by dlivingston on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:32AM (#28703212)
We care about vaccination rates because we care about human lives - so what have we gained if we lose our humanity in the process of trying to save it.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by sellyme on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:42AM (#28703264)
The lives of the people who aren't trying to get their peers killed, hopefully.

If someone is so hell-bent on dying that they'll ignore every single qualified doctor telling them that they're wrong, we can't really do much about that. But at least it usually stops them from getting other people killed with the same stupidity.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by tacitusarc on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:04AM (#28703649)
But if you treat that situation as gleeful instead of tragic, there is something wrong with you.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by ikr678 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:22AM (#28703960)
I am not American, but watching the way the vaccine has been politicised, I can understand a certain level of schaudenfreude as a reaction to after the years of Trump governing to 'owning the libs'.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by tehjoker on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @10:36PM (#28702571)
I am not sure what to think about that sub, all I know is that where I live COVID hasn't been too bad, so it gives me a window into what it's like in the rest of the country. It mostly makes me feel bad, like looking at casualty lists from WW1 except someone told them they didn't have to go over the top. It's just so senseless and pointless.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by dlivingston on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:26AM (#28703176)
The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people.

People are blinded by the public figures and institutions that they trust - and yes, that includes us.

They were steered wrong because they trusted the wrong people. You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by tehjoker on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:41AM (#28703258)
> The targets of vitriol should be the media and political figures who made vaccine hesitancy mainstream amongst conservatives, not individual people.

Agreed. I never said I submitted anything to the sub or founded it or something. I do find it useful to see what is happening to people. A secondary reason I was there is my parents are anti-vax and comorbid and I was hoping to find something that would break their hypnosis, but it's too deep.

That said, as someone that was previous conservative and my parents are conservative, I can say definitively though that conservatism is a suckers game and it should be obvious to anyone that it's a pack of lies by the cruelest and most selfish people in our society with grifters and the super-rich at the top. Liberalism isn't much better (in some ways worse because they have enough credibility with workers to do real damage sometimes without pushback).

> You can imagine how fast the sentiment around vaccines would change amongst the professional class if suddenly the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Democratic politicians, etc. uniformly expressed that vaccines couldn’t be trusted.

That reality almost happened. At the presidential debates Harris said that she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump told her to (which was about whether it was the FDA or Trump pressuring the FDA). If they really leaned into that, we'd be in a different world right now. Like everything these days, it's psychic whiplash how fast things change.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by d0gsg0w00f on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:53AM (#28703849)
I remember Harris saying that and remembering always makes me chuckle. I'm glad you mentioned that because that was my first thought reading the parent comment.

Regarding the "sucker's game" comment I can see where you're coming from but wanted to offer my perspective. I'm only a conservative because I'm anti big government, anti identity politics, and pro individuality. However, we live in a two party system so I have to root for the whole team. Those core issues outweigh all other factors. Sometimes after rooting for the same team for many years you just pick up the banner and wave it.

Have you asked your parents what their core beliefs are and why they're on that team? You might find they're one or two issue voters. Not sure if that would help you find some peace with them.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by tehjoker on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:07PM (#28709213)
> Have you asked your parents what their core beliefs are and why they're on that team? You might find they're one or two issue voters. Not sure if that would help you find some peace with them.

My mother is a Q-anon type person that became deranged and believes in physically impossible conspiracies. She's jewish and hangs out in alternate youtubes that have videos of burning stars of david next to the Q stuff she's interested in. I think she became disoriented by her economic trajectory in life where she initially was working with a masters and then became a housewife that was unable to reenter the economy. She spent over a decade listening to right-wing talk radio and fell into the youtube zone. and At this point I do not know what will reach her.

My father is a lawyer that rubs shoulders with big real estate people. In his youth he supported Nixon. This lived experience of contact with the morally bankrupt rich capitalists has imo morally damaged him. When I asked him if a poor person should die on the street if they can't pay for healthcare, he assented. He doesn't want to be a bad guy, but outside of his specialty his thinking is not clear or imo firmly grounded. He watches Fox and listens to Tucker. He's a Regan type Republican.

> I'm only a conservative because I'm anti big government, anti identity politics, and pro individuality

I'm a communist because over time I realized that we are being divided against each other by the rich and need social solidarity and democracy to have a high-functioning society. I think freedom comes from having security in food, housing, education and from the creative output of individuals and groups and not from what you're able to buy. In other words, a decent society comes from addressing the needs of the people and cooperation, not from making them compete against each other.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by ikr678 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:30AM (#28703989)
It's not just vaccine hesitancy, they have been undermining public institutions in the US for ages. There is nothing remotely close to say, the NHS in the UK.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by ufo on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:00PM (#28702710)
I feel like that sub is the new r/fatpeoplehate. "You see, we're just helping people to be healthier by pointing out that obesity is harmful".