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Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:16PM (#28695784)
The discussion about "If the fake is good enough, what's the problem?" was dismissed by the article hastily. They suggest that to study a fake Rembrandt as a real one, would muddy our understanding of Rembrandt. I wonder how many of these fakes in private collections are studied at all? In fact if studied, aren't they detected as fakes?

It's an honest question, if a forger is as talented as Rembrandt then why isn't their work valuable too?

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by dehrmann on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:35PM (#28696104)
> It's an honest question, if a forger is as talented as Rembrandt then why isn't their work valuable too?

Because there's no originality in it and the time for that style has passed. Plus, there will always be more imitators. Same reason tribute bands aren't notable, even if they perform better than the original musicians.

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by elliekelly on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:36PM (#28697114)
The Barnes Foundation has (or at least used to have) a really great exhibit where they’d showcase the real art alongside a reproduction.
Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by nubb on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:35PM (#28696120)
Wouldn’t a fair argument be that replication isn’t as valuable as art creation?
Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:58PM (#28697444)
But these forgeries are not copies - that would be trivial to detect ("Hey! Here's the real one over here!")

They're imagined art in the style of a master. Perhaps a recreation of a lost work, or a portrait of a historical figure not previously pictured. Lots of creation in that.

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by bell-cot on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:55PM (#28696431)
No snob appeal, nor bragging rights with your rich friends (or well-to-do supporters of your museum).

No perceived scarcity, to (hopefully) appreciate in value as the uber-rich keep bidding up the values of very scarce goods.

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by bloqs on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:41PM (#28697197)
This not a helpful approach. Art maintains it's value as it expresses the depth of human creativity. If someone imitates it, it's an entirely different (and vastly more common) skillset and thus considerably less valuable. Further devalued by the communal irritation at fakes in the art community. Creatives take humanity forwards, it is the cusp of that creative point that is being celebrated.
Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by keiferski on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @02:38PM (#28698003)
This is largely a Romantic conception of art (circa early 19th century) and not one that would necessarily be true when art meant something like craft, which was what it meant for a long, long time (see the Latin ars or Greek techne.)

Medieval European artists, for example, likely would have no issue with any sort of copying or “fakes”, as the primary goal wasn’t self-expression.

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by bloqs on Friday October 01, 2021 @03:48AM (#28715763)
While that may be true, it doesnt change how art is valued today, and its cultural position today. It's no secret also that the rough pareto distribution of art is as alive as it is elsewhere. Most art or music isnt even consumed by anyone outside of the author, conversely about 5% gets 95% of the attention, with individual pieces generating millions (and getting millions of views), same applying to music
Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:58PM (#28697462)
It's hard to make a forgery. I'd guess it doesn't change the scarcity equation much?
Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by bell-cot on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @03:56PM (#28699071)
This. From a quick web search, a matched pair of portrait paintings by Rembrandt sold for $180 million in 2016.

I'll venture that the most-skilled art forgers currently living would jump at the chance to earn even 1/100 that much, for producing a pair of faux-Rembrandt paintings.

[Edit - add the obvious missing "the".]

Re:How to spot a perfect fake: the world’s top art forgery d... by aaroninsf on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @02:14PM (#28697681)
<researches the legality of forged NFTs, quickly pivots to legitimate NFTs for forged works>