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Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by rad_gruchalski on Monday September 27, 2021 @04:36PM (#28675668)
I like the idea. However, I am afraid this would lead to people with no children being disadvantaged again.

Increased prices would clearly make it more expensive to raise children. This would lead to more social care towards people with children. How would you recommend solving that?

Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by colinmhayes on Monday September 27, 2021 @07:07PM (#28677237)
Developed countries aren't having enough children. We need to provide families with children more assistance, not less. Raising children deserves to be seen as a job because it provides value to society. I say that as a person without children who hopes to never have any.
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:06AM (#28681380)
But not having children reduces fossil fuel consumption the most, and that is the goal of the tax, is it not?

Reducing capitas will cause a much quicker and effective change than reducing per capita consumption.

Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by colinmhayes on Thursday September 30, 2021 @05:41PM (#28711679)
The goal of the tax is to force people the internalize the externalities caused by their consumption.
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by conductr on Monday September 27, 2021 @04:58PM (#28675916)
I would think the carbon tax part would be based on carbon usage which is a factor of consumption. The entire family’s consumption. So if the rebate is $1000 per person a family if 4 gets $4000. However the net gain/loss is only calculated after knowing what your family consumes. A family of 4 bicyclists may come out ahead while a family of 4 SUV drivers may have a net loss.
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by HWR_14 on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:15PM (#28678560)
> This would lead to more social care towards people with children. How would you recommend solving that?

I'm sorry, what's the issue? If we need children and need to incentivize it, it's what we'll do. And by definition, you're talking about advantages only to counterbalance new disadvantages. So we need to solve what?

Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by rad_gruchalski on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:12AM (#28681423)
What’s the reason to having more people and children? It’s to “grow the economy”. Is constant growth sustainable?
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by HWR_14 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:30PM (#28685279)
If we don't need them we won't subsidize them. The OP seems to think we'll need to subsidize children more for some reason.
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by petre on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:58PM (#28685560)
Look at Japan and you'll see the reason. Aging population.
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by rad_gruchalski on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:30PM (#28685912)
Which is not good for economy. I understand. So more children are needed to support the aging population in the future. My question still stands: is this sustainable indefinitely?
Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by HWR_14 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @11:02PM (#28689838)
> My question still stands: is this sustainable indefinitely?

I mean, if on one side we have exponential growth, and on the other we have no children leading to no one to support seniors, surely there is a middle ground where the right number of children are born each year.

Re:Europe’s energy crisis is about to go global as gas price... by petre on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:35AM (#28691512)
China tried with the one child policy and debalanced its population's structure, ending up with too many men.

On the other hand in Japan and elsewhere in developed countries women postpone having kids until in their in their 30s, because they're involved in the workforce.

So, one either ends up with exponential population growth or with the elderly working until they die and younger people postponing having chindren until mid age (with all the associated health issues, both for the mother and th child) or not having children at all.

It's rather hard if not impossible to keep a middle ground. As a woman one probably has to make a choice between bearing children after you finish college or getting a degree and joining the workforce. Guess what most women's choice is?