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Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by jeroenhd on Sunday September 26, 2021 @10:29AM (#28661154)
As an outsider, I don't expect the American government to ever pardon people like him. Presidents come and go but they all play nicely with the military powers that remain after their terms. When presidents promise to do things the rest it the government doesn't like, those promises only get broken. Trump didn't complete his wall, Obama didn't close Guantanamo Bay, and so on. Presidents aren't kings, their actions will follow them and have consequences even after leaving office.

Biden might pardon Snowden at the end of his term, but don't count on it. I haven't seen a single sign that Biden (or any American presidential candidate for that matter) would side with anyone for leaking government secrets. The government is sitting on many more juicy details that'd upset the global political balance and transparency is not in the USA's interests.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by seaourfreed on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:42AM (#28661786)
Establishment Democrats hate Assange. Assange published things that hurt the Hillary / 2016 Democrat elections.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by setpatchaddress on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:49AM (#28661850)
It’s not just “Establishment Democrats”. He literally acted as a stooge for the Russian government in publishing DNC emails but suppressing damaging information on Republicans.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by zionic on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:14PM (#28662104)
This is false. A single republican’s personal laptop got hacked and a years-out-of-date outlook db was stolen.

The DNC had their email server itself hacked, which is an entirely different level of compromise.

Of course, they crafted a narrative that “republicans were hacked too!” which of course is true but highly misleading (typical of such propaganda campaigns).

This was highly effective, as it’s still popping up in discussions like this one 5+ years later.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by boomboomsubban on Sunday September 26, 2021 @06:18PM (#28665174)
There's also no evidence the hacked laptop's data was offered to Wikileaks.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pydry on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:02PM (#28661985)
>He literally acted as a stooge for the Russian government

Based upon the talking points at the time, establishment Democrats very much wanted this to be true. This makes sense since the Russians are a convenient scapegoat.

>suppressing damaging information on Republicans.

They wanted this to be true but it didnt happen:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5pmo25/debunked_...

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by elpin on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:56PM (#28662437)
"On July 6, 2016, WikiLeaks again contacted Guccifer 2.0 through Twitter’s private messaging function, writing, “if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after.” The Guccifer 2.0 persona responded, “ok . . . i see.” WikiLeaks also explained, “we think trump has only a 25% chance of winning against hillary . . . so conflict between bernie and hillary is interesting.”".

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pydry on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:03PM (#28662494)
This suggests they wanted Bernie to win.

In any case, hitting up sources for leaks is, well, journalism.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by filoeleven on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:25PM (#28662702)
No, it only suggests that they did not want Bernie supporters to solidify behind Clinton. The strongest suggestion is that they did not want Clinton to win.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pydry on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:54PM (#28662948)
Yeah, he did. Disliking Clinton does not make him dishonest, a Russian spy or somebody who acted against the principles of wikileaks, however.

It makes him a journalist who doesnt appreciate being threatened with a drone strike by a sitting secretary of state for practising journalism.

The fact people give him shit for this is pretty unbelievable.

Excusing Russian style journalist assassination is not compatible with respect for Democracy.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by nullc on Sunday September 26, 2021 @06:40PM (#28665332)
At the time Assange was aware that as secretary of defense Hillary Clinton had suggested using a drone strike to assassinate him in the UK.

Do you expect him to have been neutral on her candidacy?

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by elpin on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:15PM (#28662591)
It shows they wanted to prevent Hillary from building supporters to hurt her campaign and were explicitly strategizing how to achieve that end:

"if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters"

They explain their interest in a Bernie angle as a result of Trump, in their minds, having a low probability of winning:

"we think trump has only a 25% chance of winning against hillary . . . so conflict between bernie and hillary is interesting"

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pydry on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:49PM (#28662913)
Yes, they were. Fox News hate democrats. CNN hate Republicans. Assange hated Clinton ever since she said "wouldnt it be easier if we just drone striked him?".

He still didnt conceal any leaks in pursuit of that goal and he wasnt a russian spy. Nonetheless, both claims are frequently made in the mainstream media linked to Democrats.

They are lies.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by bink on Sunday September 26, 2021 @03:38PM (#28663926)
He had his own show on Russian state television way back in 2012. He was quite literally being paid by them.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pydry on Sunday September 26, 2021 @04:19PM (#28664290)
Know of any western TV channels that would offer him a show?

lol I kid. Literally 0% chance CNN will give him one.

Every establishment critic faces the same choice:

1) appear on PressTV or RT

2) face ridiculously hostile interviewers

3) dont appear on TV

Mostly they go for a mix of 1 and 2.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by throwaway210222 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:52AM (#28661883)
Surely, as a non-American he could chose any side he felt like?

Much like I can - randomly or otherwise - choose any faction in the Nigerian elections.

Or is their some planet-wide law that he fell under?

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by abandonliberty on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:17PM (#28662124)
I don't understand your comment. Whether he should be pardoned or not is separate from him picking sides and making adversaries of the democrats.

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't take the actions of others into account?

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by throwaway210222 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:53PM (#28662420)
> Whether he should be pardoned?

How do you pardon a foreign citizen?

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by ben_w on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:04PM (#28662005)
He can side with whoever he likes. Doesn’t mean anyone has to like him for it.

Furthermore, as Assange isn’t an American citizen and doesn’t get to vote in the USA, none of them have no reason to put personal dislike aside and defend him or his actions.

Hell, he might have been a lot better off now if he was a USA citizen, or even if he’d been officially working for Russia.

Right now, he’s a conveniently unlicensed hot potato: held personally liable by the powers, not even really seen as a journalist even if he was one.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by throwaway210222 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:50PM (#28662388)
> He can side with whoever he likes. Doesn’t mean anyone has to like him for it.

Indeed, hate away.

But its a big jump to imprisoning (or as some would like killing) him.

Just as - and focus here - its not ok to extradite atheists to Saudi Arabia for heresy committed in say New Zealand.

Its after all just a wee election.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by techrat on Sunday September 26, 2021 @02:26PM (#28663270)
'Choosing a side' is what ceased to allow him to claim he was an impartial leaker and/or journalist.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by tcmart14 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @10:01PM (#28666376)
Huh, DJT didnt seem to have an issue executing snowden for a long time until right before election. Im not saying establishment democrats don't hate Assange, but that your argument is purely one sided and bias when in fact this hate is across a spectrum of politicians. Establishment Republicans hate Snowden and even Trump hates snowden. It is just surprising right before an election he mentions a potential pardon when he had 3 years to consider a pardon.

[1] https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-tru... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-said-considering-pardo... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/16/tr...

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by tcmart14 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @10:13PM (#28666436)
Some more from 2016 Republicans hopefuls.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/politics/republicans-2016-edw...

I think this shows on either side of the aisle, there is little love for Snowden and people alike.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by pixel_tracing on Sunday September 26, 2021 @01:09PM (#28662539)
That’s short term thinking and a failure of government. Working WITH Snowden will benefit the country more than working against.

If it wasn’t Snowden it would have been someone else, matter if time.

Here’s what the gov should do:

1.) Pardon Snowden publicly 2.) Work with Snowden as public front, to build a better (more privacy conscious) surveillance network and win back the public’s trust

Will this ever happen? Probably not

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by truffdog on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:36PM (#28662275)
Chelsea Manning got her sentence commuted to 0, which is almost like a pardon.
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by PartiallyTyped on Sunday September 26, 2021 @10:56AM (#28661352)
I wouldn't count on Biden administration to do anything remotely close. The whistleblower of the drone strike that killed 7 kids and 3 adults, all innocent, was convicted [1].

[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/leaker-of-drone-secrets-ge...

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by appleflaxen on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:03AM (#28661407)
Didn't deep throat get a pardon?
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by comrh on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:36AM (#28661716)
Reagan did in 1981
Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by atatatat on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:43AM (#28661793)
"rest of the government"

No need to steer away from "deep state" so hard you go hyperbolic.

Maybe use "Multiple competing power cabals", if you prefer?

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by jeroenhd on Sunday September 26, 2021 @12:18PM (#28662134)
The government is not just the president and the buddies he brings in. There are many departments that need to operate after the president and his crew leave office. All of those have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and being able to operate after the next election.

It's no deep state conspiracy that the Pentagon or the CIA have their own opinion on world politics. If anything, the Trump administration has shown that there are still some restraints to the president's power. At some point details were made foggy or even left out in Trump's security briefings out of fear they might get leaked to Twitter. The end result of this process isn't to keep the elites in power or to control the people, it's much more tame than that. People don't like change and when a new guy rolls in and decides that the way some government body does something is wrong, people will naturally resist.

There is always a power balance, usually in favour of the democratically elected officials, between the elected government and the government that sticks around. When push comes to shove the elected officials always have the power to overrule the unelected ones, but any future endeavours related to these parties would become difficult once you force matters.

The CIA, FBI, DoJ and FDA don't get a complete reshuffle every four years. The figureheads and even organisational top can get replaced, but there are many layers of middle management below them that have cemented their ways in difficult to change processes, workflows and office culture.

The system has its advantages, notably that the country doesn't collapse after giving a complete lunatic the reigns for four years, but also a great many disadvantages, notably elected officials being worked against in their quest for improvement and change. This effect can be increased or decreased, but it won't ever go away and denying that there is more to politics than elites at the top is just nonsensical in my opinion.

Re:Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s propo... by holaxes on Sunday September 26, 2021 @03:19PM (#28663737)
> it wont ever go away

It will erode away as American influence does. Just ask the Brits what happened with their War Office, India Office, Colonial Office etc etc etc. No one thought those were ever going away either.