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Re:Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you d... by ehnto on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:43PM (#28633360)
That is not at all a fair take. These companies go out of their way to make their onboarding funnels as seamless as possible, and then jam all the negative side-effects of signing up into an impenetrable wall of text. Not everyone has been in tech for a decade, new users fresh to the internet and life in general sign up every day and these companies rely on their naivety and exploit that.

The consequences are clear to US but we know what to care about, there are teenagers on Facebook, Instagram, anbd Google services. Do you really think they understood the implications of lifelong digital surveillance? Not to mention the thousands of smaller tracking and advertising companies that bottom-feed in the background without so much as a peep. Your behavior lives in the databases of companies you've never heard of before, and they sell it for pennies such is their value of your privacy.

You probably consented to Facebook having access to your photographs in order to do the business you expected them to do with it, such as show it to others in your friends group. Did you anticipate them using your face in advertisements? Did you expect them to run ML algorithms on them in order to suck out advertising interests, did you anticipate the use of your data to form cohorts that allow you to be advertised at by companies you've never heard of?

Depending on when you signed up, you couldn't have, because half of these things didn't even exist when many of us gave them consent. Now think of the billions of users these companies have that don't even know what the word cohort means, and your position is essentially that well they don't know they should be mad, so it's fine to exploit them.

Re:Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you d... by throwawayswede on Thursday September 23, 2021 @04:52PM (#28635196)
I didn't say people should be blamed for signing up, but for continuing to use these companies and services after seeing many people burn or because they prefer the convenience. If you:

- want the convenience - are not willing to pay for it - and have gone out of your way to avoid doing your research on how this thing works

== it's on you

but i'm not saying this to blame people really, i want people who are in this position to take responsibility for themselves and look up wtf is (for example) google doing and how is it free, then choose if they're ok with that (and stop complaining) or are not (and quit it). Enough people leaving Gmail will absolutely make a dent in how Google thinks. I'm optimistic about this. More people are waking up to the technological-slavery we're living in.

Re:Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you d... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:26PM (#28635673)
> how is it free

Because it's subsidized by their massive advertising business? They don't need to be this invasive to keep that up.

And they track paying customers too.

Re:Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you d... by ehnto on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:52PM (#28637802)
Funnily enough I am cynical about this, I don't think people will en masse figure it out and ditch the services as I don't think it's on teir radar at all. Which is perhaps why I feel more strongly that it's exploitation versus a choice they make.

It's why in this circumstance I am pro regulation on the adtech industry, as I feel it is the only way to protect people who don't see the dangers. Similar to how regulation is the only way we get ethical food production at such a large scale. When systems get too big, past regular human scale and on to conglomerate scale, it's hard for the average person to see and understand the whole system and its harmful factors.

Thanks for the considered reply by the way.