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Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by gradschoolfail on Thursday September 23, 2021 @06:04AM (#28627204)
My phd is in the physics of complex systems, so its not exactly this area but the arguments in the engrxiv paper linked in TFA seem robust to me. In my mind there is an abstract question and a concrete question which illustrates the hardness of the problem.

The concrete question is, were there historical examples which showed the feasibility of this kind of endeavor? I dont think so. In fact there is a recent counterexample. Biofuels. They were big in the last hype cycle. George Church, the Tom Knight of Harvard, got involved in Joule, which is now dead. Biofuels was a much simpler pipedream than todays lab grown factory and yet… we are back to designing batteries, which are far simpler than algae.

So after this bubble bursts, I predict that we will be putting our money in making jellyfish tasty. it will be a step up from making yeast or algae tasty for sure.

Another prediction would be uh the second coming of 6502… of amino acid manufacturing.

The abstract question is, is it possible to design a large scale self replicating machine that runs more efficiently than evolution can give us? Again, no historical examples.. but I see the current deep learning “success” as a victory for evolution, not design…

My guess is, if we want to make lab grown meat work we might as well solve the easier problems of immortality and general AI, first.

Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by kuu on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:50AM (#28627885)
> is it possible to design a large scale self replicating machine that runs more efficiently than evolution can give us?

Transistors miniaturization may fit under that category. We created something that every year doubled down the scale, augmented performance and reduced energy costs; and for that we needed those previous transistors. I don't think natural evolution has done any other process that fast.

I may be wrong...

Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by 3np on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:07AM (#28628024)
Well, there's always the big bang.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by roca on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:31AM (#28627765)
Chinese cuisine already includes jellyfish. A bit bland, but not bad, and surprisingly good texture. Make them more tasty and you might be onto something. No idea bout nutritional value though.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by gradschoolfail on Friday September 24, 2021 @08:45AM (#28641589)
Haha based on your tip I went for a wikipedia dive.

“ The Japanese company Tango Jersey Dairy produces a vanilla and jellyfish ice cream using Nomura's jellyfish.[12][13] Consuming echizen kurage is potentially dangerous if the toxic part is not thoroughly cleaned and cooked.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomura%27s_jellyfish

Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by Workaccount2 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:42AM (#28628309)
Bug meat, but it would be challenging to sell.

Worms can be grown by the billions incredibly economically and efficiently, all while still being meat.

I could see GM worms having a better flavor profile, and boom, "lab" meat.

Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di... by h2odragon on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:54AM (#28628409)
"Fly larvae farming" periodically makes the rounds as a "get rich quick" scheme. I saw someone selling setups in the 80s, and some old dude came up and told him how they did it in the 30s.