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Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:08AM (#28613024)
Yes obviously after years of being on the losing side of the war on drugs clearly we just need to fight harder
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by rpmisms on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:05AM (#28614067)
You can do both: decriminalize possession, treat addiction as an illness, and also crack down on the channels by which the product enters the market. This is the most beneficial approach, as users get help, and you have fewer new users.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:07AM (#28614076)
You still have a black market full of bad actors. That's the problem and that doesn't get solved. Those users of decriminalized drugs still have to go somewhere to get what they want.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by incrudible on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:33AM (#28614815)
Give them the drugs they need through the established channels, free of charge. Fentanyl is an extremely cheap drug when you cut the red tape. A large share - perhaps the majority - of these overdosing drug users were turned onto opioids by the medical establishment, which got away scot-free with malpractice.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:18PM (#28618205)
You know that no one wants fentanyl? People want heroine, Oxys, xanaxs etc.

People are overdosing on fake drugs and relapses.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by otabdeveloper4 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:20AM (#28613857)
Yes, once you understand that drug dealing is an economic crime and works as an MLM scheme. Go after the distribution channels and make sure the cost of doing business is high enough so the MLM pyramid collapses.

Lots of countries have won the "war on drugs", it's not rocket science.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:05AM (#28614069)
It's not an mlm scheme. It's people delivering a product where there is demand for it. The only countries that have limited drug use are the ones with excessive penalties, laws that are extremely unpopular in pretty much all of the western world. Another poster in this thread also high lights some of the issues with those laws.

Your also making the assumption that drug use it self is a problem that needs to be solved. But it's not, lack of access to clean drugs and lack of support system for people with issues is the problem to solve.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by otabdeveloper4 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:36AM (#28614832)
> It's not an mlm scheme.

It absolutely is. Drug addicts finance their habit by selling to other addicts, and (crucially) recruiting new users.

> Your also making the assumption that drug use it self is a problem that needs to be solved.

I'm pretty sure addiction is a problem that needs to be solved by any metric.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:16PM (#28618165)
Where did you get this idea from? Do you use drugs?
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by ctrlp on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:23AM (#28613091)
Sure, let's just give up and allow deadly poison dealers free access to our markets. If we wanted to disrupt the cartel routes we could.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by biaachmonkie on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:38AM (#28613927)
So you acknowledge that there are markets for the drugs "deadly poison" as you call them.

So would not the better solution be to regulate and tax the markets? To allow legitimate business to operate in the markets, leading to better, more consistent and safer products for consumers of those products and eliminate the black market and the criminal actors that operate in the shadows.

The war on drugs has been a complete and abject failure from every angle one could objectively look at it, unless you're goals are to have overly militarized police forces that consistently violate peoples rights and brutalize and imprison non-violent people. Current policies have turned patrol officers into thugs that rob innocent people (e.g. Civil Asset Forfeiture), that use fabricated pre-textual traffic stops and unreliable and/or faked drug dog "signals" to violate peoples right against unlawful searches.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by ctrlp on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:38AM (#28616798)
This is LOLbertarian nonsense. We had legal, prescription drugs that started this whole mess. A generation of American families are destroyed, but, you know, creative destruction.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by the_only_law on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:19PM (#28618209)
> Sure, let's just give up and allow deadly poison dealers free access to our markets.

We already do this in a wide variety of industries.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:32AM (#28613123)
Chinese cartels?

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...

> Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States

You don't know as much about drugs, their problems and their solutions as you think you do. Suggest you read up on it and inform your self before getting riled up.

Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by ctrlp on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:46AM (#28616907)
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Good luck clearing up your confusion.
Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by tayo42 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @01:03PM (#28618814)
Feel free to share a source
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Re:2021 Could See over 100k Drug Overdose Deaths in America by _-david-_ on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @01:25AM (#28613318)
>Ehh some one wants to post racist bull shit about mexico Ill prove them wrong with what ever tone i feel like.

Saying we should have tighter borders or that a lot of drugs come through / from Mexico is not racist. If you want to convince somebody of your position don't be a complete jerk while making libelous statements.