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Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @08:48PM (#28611896)
> If I could give my younger self advice, it would be to NEVER go work for a company unless you were absolutely passionate about their mission. Never work for the money. You could work for the money and die rich, never having lived authentically. Or you could live authentically, rich or poor, and die satisfied.

I liked the article. It was an authentic (I assume) personal story. It wasn't a "strawman," or a "this is the way things should be" thing. It was a fairly plain-spoken personal chronicle.

I enjoyed it, and wish the author well.

For myself, I worked at a company that had a mission I was passionate about. I'm also a xenophile, and it was a Japanese company. I was fascinated by the Japanese commitment to Quality (at that company). I like working in teams; the more varied and exotic, the better.

I joined, planning on an 18-month stay (like my previous two gigs), but left, 27 years later.

I made some effort to find new work, after leaving that company, but became quite disillusioned with the process. I had acquired a "nest egg" that would allow me to retire, early. After a few insulting and rather demoralizing interactions with a few corporations, I decided that it was time to hang up my chinos, and write the code I always wanted to write, the way I wanted to write it; with no one taking a dump on it.

I have never been happier. I am probably working harder than I ever have, in my life, and having a blast.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by blunte on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:12PM (#28612059)
Oh I liked the article too... didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

My one Japanese company experience was in my early career, and it was discouraging. It has been so long, I can name NEC.

The colleagues were great, but on the occasions that executives from Japan were visiting, we were specifically told to look busy. And looking busy actually meant printing things out, walking around with papers, etc. Even in those dark, pre-eco times, I found it absurd. On the plus side, I got proper introduction to sushi and fell in love with that.

I can only imagine what a good situation one must have to spend 27 years there.

Cheers to your future endeavors.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:17PM (#28612094)
It was ... challenging ...

The corporation (I don't name it in postings, but it's fairly easy to figure out, if you visit my SO Story) is one of the top-shelf corporations in Japan. Their brand is/was pretty much synonymous with "Quality."

I have been into writing Quality code, since my very first engineering project, and loved the passion.

The engineers and scientists in Tokyo were awesome. The company got "first draft pick." Every single one of them had at least a Master's degree. Many Ph.Ds. Having their business card opened a lot of doors for me.

I found their reliance on Process (note the capital "P") to be absolutely infuriating. It worked extremely well on hardware; not so well on software.

I did my best to coax them out of their mousehole, but, in the end, the conservatives won, and the company has basically retreated to its roots; which may not work out so well, in the long run.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by axpy906 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:08PM (#28612408)
Process is about HOW you do things. Product is about WHAT you make. I do think that both are necessary but taken to the extreme as you see in Japan and US doesn’t lead to any easy reconciliation.
Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:30AM (#28614506)
They definitely took it to extremes. The problem is that it’s a 100-year-old company, that has been making top-shelf optical equipment, costing many thousands of dollars, for that entire time. They have an awesome and undeniable track record.

It was pretty much impossible to get these (highly accomplished and talented) engineers to accept that their way (hardware and some firmware) would not work on software.

It usually ended up with them, labeling my efforts to introduce flexibility as some variant of “lazy, bad-quality engineering.” Hard sell.

https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/concrete-galoshes/

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by inakarmacoma on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:51PM (#28612305)
8 hours...

Let's not feature creep work life balance ;)

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by jrochkind1 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:45PM (#28612609)
> I joined, planning on an 18-month stay (like my previous two gigs), but left, 27 years later.

> I made some effort to find new work, after leaving that company…

I'm curious why you left, if you want to share!

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:18AM (#28614434)
I can’t go into details why, or the story behind the decision (or what I thought of it), but the company folded up all of their “offshore” development (we were one of their “foreign” offices).

It was no surprise to me. I was saddened, but not surprised.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by jrochkind1 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:39AM (#28615622)
That sounds rough, I'm glad you ended up in a situation that you like!

(I'm ready to "retire" whenever personally, and then work on the code I want with the people I want to without financial expectation!)

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:33AM (#28616121)
Yes and no. I'd had my bags packed for years. I was sticking around, to make sure that my team was treated as well as possible, on the way out.
Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ceocoder on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @08:59PM (#28611977)
Oh hey Chris!

Good to see you here again, completely off topic follow up: did you or your siblings ever end up writing about work your father did with three letter agencies?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23812386

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:09PM (#28612040)
Good to see you.

No, I suspect that we have all the information that we will get.

He earned a bronze star, silver star, and a couple of purple hearts, during WWII (I only found one, but he was wounded at least twice -maybe they just award one).

It earned my parents a place in Arlington, with the whole caisson/21-gun salute thing, but we have no idea why he got them.

There was a big fire, in St. Louis, in the 1950s (I think), that destroyed a lot of records.

Forget hearing anything he did with The Company. He was one of the first field agents. I think he may have been recruited in the first year or so of the agency. We think at least one of his brothers may also have been a "company man," but we'll never know. He took that secret to the grave.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by haimez on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:52PM (#28612648)
If you haven’t tried already and you’re interested, you might try filing a FOIA request for any documents that the company might have. The early days OSS / SSU documents are largely public information these days and when they’re not, it can be the result of an oversight that a request reviewer might notice if prompted. I don’t think much of anything from that era is currently considered to be sensitive information.
Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:24AM (#28614765)
Didn't think of that.

Good idea!

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by xupybd on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @11:20PM (#28612792)
What are you doing now?

Is it for profit or just for fun. I love to read stories like your's.

Re:That time I told my wife I wanted to quit my job by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:22AM (#28614457)
I’m writing a fairly ambitious app for a 501(c)(3). It’s a “full stack” system; but not what that term usually implies, as I wrote the backend from scratch (as opposed to adapting something like Firebase or Django). The frontend is a native iOS app, in Swift.

It’s coming along nicely.