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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mike_ivanov on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:32PM (#28608905)
> arrow keys as Apple does it

No. NO!!

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by fouc on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:46PM (#28609054)
poster is probably referring to this: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/11/16in-macboo...

The left, right, and down arrow keys all on one level, and the up arrow key alone above the down arrow key. Makes it easy to find the right key by touch alone.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by zerocrates on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:12PM (#28612436)
What they've got now on the Framework is just "arrow keys as Apple did it": they used this full-height/half-height combo for a while but have since returned to the "inverted T" with all half-height as you describe.

I think the sense that space is wasted by those deadzones above the left and right keys is a powerful motivator of these "hybrid" keyboard designs. I do prefer to have them all half-height if any of them are, as it does make it easier for me to "touch type" the arrows.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by fendy3002 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @07:51PM (#28611497)
For me it's still a no. Half-height key will be hard to press, especially the top one which is near the shift key.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mike_ivanov on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:08PM (#28609978)
This is what I need. Not what Apple offers. MacBook arrow keys are unusable.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by fouc on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:02PM (#28612376)
That is the old macbook keyboard (before late-2015), and they brought it back with the m1 macbooks.

Basically late-2015 to 2020 macbooks had shitty keyboards.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mike_ivanov on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:09PM (#28620415)
Ah, I didn't realize it. Good to know - thanks!
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by dabeeeenster on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:51PM (#28610467)
That is a modern macbook