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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mschuster91 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:39PM (#28608240)
Where is that quote from? I wasn't able to find it via Google. Anyway, a computer that refuses to turn on after been tampered with does have its uses, particularly if your threat model is government secret services.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by trutannus on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#28608289)
> threat model is government secret services

Realistically, if your threat model is government secret services, and you're using unmodified consumer grade electronics, then you're in 'danger' no matter what. You can't effectively mitigate a threat at the state level using resources produced under the watchful eye of the same state. All they have to do is ask the producer to swap out the device they gave you with a device that comes compromised out of the box. And that's assuming the tech is perfect. Most likely they just hire someone to defeat the countermeasures. However many resources Apple has, I assure you even the most janky state has more.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by javajosh on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:23PM (#28608789)
Special hardware seems 007 childish to me. What's better, having a high-tech tricked-out phone/laptop, or to just have a random stock Android with an inoffensive sim card in it? It seems obvious to me that if you're being targeted, tailed and tracked and probed, you've already lost.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by trutannus on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:29PM (#28608870)
No, I mean if you're buying a laptop off the shelf and not ripping telemetry components and whatnot (WIFI card/airgap for example). Customizing hardware to foil any out of the box attacks, rather than some sharks-and-lasers config to 'protect it'. Governments do this all the time for even slightly sensitive information.

Commenter above was saying though that the device's anti-tamper tech would save you from state level attacks. I'm just getting at the fact that that's not going to work, since if a proverbial 'they' want to take you out, there's other ways to do so you can't overcome. Just a few examples that came to me about how easy it is to foil anti-tampering measures.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mschuster91 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:32PM (#28608903)
Your "random stock Android" likely has a boatload of exploits open unless it's a Google Pixel.

> It seems obvious to me that if you're being targeted, tailed and tracked and probed, you've already lost.

Depends on which government agency watchlist you are. If you are some sort of Islamist terrorist, the tools that are open to the government are far more capable than if you are some sort of low level drug dealer.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by CubityFirst on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:42PM (#28608268)
From his latest video where he disclosed / explained his philosphy in investing into Framework.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by sidharthv on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:44PM (#28608316)
It was from the WAN show. https://youtu.be/B7f3DTDsocA?t=339
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by AlexAndScripts on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:58PM (#28609211)
If that's your threat model: - You are fucked - You are fucked, and there is nothing you can do about it - The government won't care about some chassis check - The government will use methods that nobody else has even considered possible yet - There is literally nothing you can do, unless you have the backing of another nation.

I find it ridiculous that people build threat models around organisations with almost unlimited resources that will only care about you (enough to tamper with your hardware) if you have done something very, very wrong.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by kowlo on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#28608291)
I wonder if government secret services are purchasing retail MacBooks