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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by smoldesu on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:25PM (#28608086)
As much as I love speculating about backdoors and NSA wiretapping, I seriously doubt these MEs are malicious. At this point, managing a modern x86 is tough work, especially if you want to run virtualization, complex threading and maintain high efficiency. It makes total sense that there are mandatory supervisor chips at this point, and without any evidence that these chips are "phoning home," I simply have to assume that it's purpose is virtualized KVM for remote management. Worst case scenario, the CIA wakes up my laptop while I'm asleep, big whoop.
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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by fsflover on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:51PM (#28608429)
It does not even matter if they are actively malicious. They are closed, non-removable, with proven vulnerabilities (which not only CIA can use). What else do you need?
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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by philjohn on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @04:34PM (#28609581)
How do you know that the closed CPU microcode that all modern AMD and Intel CPU's use don't have backdoors and vulnerabilities?
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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by fsflover on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:47PM (#28610413)
I don't know that, but judging from the amount of code I would say it's less likely than in Intel ME.
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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by t-writescode on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @04:35PM (#28609592)
How is that different from the Intel ones? Can they not be turned back on or injected again with a new ME?
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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by mhitza on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @06:15PM (#28610685)
If you're not getting the same consumer hardware security that NSA gets by default, you're cheated on. That's my opinion.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/researchers-say-no...

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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by goodpoint on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @07:20PM (#28611245)
> managing a modern x86 is tough work

No. You can boot and run an x86 without ME and most of that other stuff.

> It makes total sense that there are mandatory supervisor chips at this point

ME, secure boot, UEFI have nothing to do with virtualization.

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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by 0des on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#28608287)
Bravo, I wish I could be this cavalier about a grave security issue.
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