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Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by andrewljohnson on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:21PM (#28601409)
Ignore the crunchy comments saying don't eat meat, don't have kids, and don't drive. You have no impact as a consumer or influencer.

What you can do is:

* a) find someone working on climate change, and help write software for them part-time as a volunteer

* b) brainstorm an idea for a site/app, and build it yourself (and of course post it to HN)

* c) quit your job, join an organization focused on climate change, and do some work

* d) start researching more about climate change until you can make a better choice about a or b or c

If you can't commit a big chunk of time to it, then research good orgs focused on climate change, and donate money to them (or angel invest in them). That's the next best thing you can do.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @06:22AM (#28603599)
Not sure why not having kid is such controversial. I guess people just can't be not selfish, they will find any excuse. People will do anything that does not change their lifestyle, basically all of which are useless compared to what is going on in climate crisis.

Not having kid is the most effective thing anyone can do.

You can just adopt instead, raise them to be ethical. It should not be so controversial. You can be a parent without giving birth.

Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it (which due to their ancestor's screw ups and comfort) looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish. These kids already have jobs to perform before even born. I sure don't want my kids to suffer this disaster and without their consent.

Data conclusively indicates real-world climate change is tracking RCP8.5, the IPCC’s “worst case scenario”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliCxyAwBWU&t=719s

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by bluedevil2k on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:20AM (#28615967)
> People will do anything that does not change their lifestyle

Clearly you don’t have children if you think having a child doesn’t change your lifestyle.

> Also bringing a kid without their consent to this dying planet and then make them fix it…looks like a punishment by parents, pretty selfish

Here’s a tip, don’t use this line on a first date.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:48PM (#28620909)
It's not about dating. It's truth that you didn't want to hear. Because accepting truth is difficult, so fight it, deny it instead.

Regarding lifestyle, I chose wrong word, not my first language. It's what and how you want your life that you don't want to compromise for climate crisis.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by gameman144 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:43AM (#28629867)
I don't think not having a kid is, itself, controversial. I think that telling others who want children not to have them is the controversial bit.

On the one hand, it is a very effective way to reduce your carbon footprint if you can do it. On the other hand, for many people it conflicts with one of the most basic human desires, which is life-defining for lots of the population.

As an analogy, if you asked people to be celibate you could guarantee that no new babies would come along even if birth-control-methods failed; a huge net positive! Despite that, sex is a basic human experience that many see as integral to their vision of a life, and it'd be controversial to seemingly impose that restriction on others.

tl;dr: no controversy in you doing you, sometimes controversy in you asking others to similarly do you

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by giantg2 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @08:04PM (#28611598)
"Ignore the crunchy comments saying don't eat meat, don't have kids, and don't drive. You have no impact as a consumer or influencer."

Yet each of these actions can be quantified in terms of CO2 no emitted or resources preserved. There is an impact, and that impact becomes apparent given sufficient scale and time.

One's choice not to have kids could very well provide exponential savings when compared to one's personal lifetime emissions/consumption when looking over generations.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by JensRantil on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @08:12AM (#28604236)
I did just c) - I'm joining https://normative.io as an engineer at the beginning of next year for this particular reason. The company helps other companies decrease carbon emissions by generating sustainability reports.

I'm _very_ excited to be a tiny part in helping humanity solve one of our biggest problems.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by dpflan on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:25PM (#28601422)
If you’re into AI, there is Climate Change AI which is a “global initiative to catalyze impactful work at the intersection of climate change and machine learning.”

- https://www.climatechange.ai/

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by dpflan on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:02AM (#28604630)
More content:

- Just found this: https://workonclimate.org/

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by worstestes on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:26PM (#28601426)
Yeah, all of this but also — stop eating meat
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by invalidname on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:52AM (#28602609)
Yes. Parent commenter effectively says votes don't matter. Sure they don't individually, but they signal. If enough people reduce their meat, dairy and egg consumption this will change the market. Fewer industrialized farms, greater scale in vegan alternatives which brings to price reductions which further increases the popularity of vegan alternatives.

Individual action matters a lot. Yes corporations are those that need to carry out the ultimate change. So the thing where corporations "blame" individuals for climate/pollution is bogus. But as consumers and as employees we have a strong impact on the environment and should advocate for that.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by daxfohl on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:24PM (#28607333)
And moreover, certainly don't get on message boards where people are genuinely looking for things they can do, and say "don't do crunchy". A few misplaced comments like that can result in a huge missed opportunity.

It even rings a bit hypocritical if subsequently you say support organizations that put the onus elsewhere.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by caeril on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:57AM (#28605664)
I would slightly amend this:

Eat meat, but only meat that is sustainably raised. Depending on the size of your lawn, you probably can raise a couple meat or egg chickens on the natural flora/fauna in your yard and table scraps. There are CSAs that raise only pastured eggs/chicken/hogs/beef without fossil-based grain inputs.

Meat is healthy, but yes, it is fossil-intensive in the modern era. But it doesn't have to be. There are zero-fossil options.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by AzzieElbab on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:53PM (#28609143)
10 to 1 the person you will be helping will get you to develop software that tells everyone not to eat meat and not to have kids. There are very few serious people in climate science.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by andrewljohnson on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:35PM (#28610301)
Getting people not to eat heavy-carbon-usage-meat at scale might be impactful... like found a lab meat company or something.

I just don't think being a vegetarian has impact... it's something you do to keep consistent with your worldview or morality, not to mitigate climate change.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by giantg2 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @07:58PM (#28611545)
How can a "no impact" activity like not eating meat scale to be impactful?

An individual's actions does have an impact, albeit a small one. It is measurable (CO2 savings from not eating that meat). Discouraging individuals from participating in individual efforts will prevent the group from achieving scale.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by andrewljohnson on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @08:44PM (#28611873)
I'm not discouraging an individual from eating meat... I'm encouraging an individual to not buy into the idea that not eating meat will achieve their stated goal.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by giantg2 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @09:00PM (#28611986)
Isn't the stated goal to reduce their contribution to climate change through eliminating meat related CO2 emissions? Seems like it works.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by AzzieElbab on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:01AM (#28615365)
Doesn’t sound measurable. The whole “don’t eat meat, save the environment” debate should be centred around corn fed beef to begin with
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by giantg2 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:51AM (#28616966)
How is it not measurable?
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by throw63738 on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:30PM (#28601451)
As consumer you have an impact, at least it sets an example and gives credibility. This reminds me of "climate activists" who fly around the world in private jets to preach!
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by kiliantics on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:17PM (#28601759)
Your biggest impact is as a worker. Most of us produce more than we consume (where the excess usually becomes investor profits). We really need to produce less or our consumption won't make a difference.

In the past, workers formed unions and collectively bargained with governments and employers to reduce working hours down to the standard work week we know today. We could reduce this further to a 4- or a 3-day work week.

We could also use collective worker power to demand many other things, such as stricter environmental standards in the workplace, just as we bargained for stricter health standards in the past. Or better environmental standards for children in schools or for public spaces, just as we bargained for children's rights and other standards in the past. (All these modern standards were fought for, they were not handed out freely)

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by throw63738 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:03AM (#28602403)
My work laptop uses like 50 watts. My personal consumption just from breathing is way higher.

Unions are bad for environment. They block progress and force subsidies on old, inefficient and dirty technologies. Soviet Union had horrible environmental record.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by rsd79 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:23AM (#28602486)
You are confusing soviet propaganda with soviet reality. There were no worker unions in Soviet Union.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by bjourne on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:52PM (#28610478)
It really grinds my gears when people bring up effigies that does not exist at all in the real world. Very few people fly around the world in private jets. Of those who do, none are environmentalists.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by jazzyjackson on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @07:48PM (#28611471)
It is a common snipe at Leonardo DiCaprio, typified by headlines like: "Leonardo DiCaprio took an outrageous 8000 mile trip in a private jet to pick up an environmental award" [0]. Really I think being a hypocrite is a good strategy to get the press to write about you.

[0] https://qz.com/690321/leonardo-dicaprio-took-an-outrageous-8...

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by foundron on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:51PM (#28601910)
All your points are great, but please don't discourage others to make ethical personal choices. Our culture needs to change and become more compassionate, sustainable and wise in terms the long-term impact of our actions.

How does a culture change? It starts with a courageous minority [1], composed of many individuals, who have "no impact as a consumer" but collectively they do have the power to influence the majority.

[1] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

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Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by bluedevil2k on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:37PM (#28601496)
Ending your own life would be even more helpful, I’m surprised no one has suggested that yet /s
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by jazzyjackson on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:00PM (#28601653)
Jerry Springer had guests of this persuasion on the episode "I want to join a suicide cult." The group is being satirical but honestly they make some pretty salient points.

https://youtu.be/C_TtTEw9w4s

https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/coefaq.html

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @06:07AM (#28603526)
It creates huge suffering to kill, not having own kid does not. You can just adopt instead and be a parent. Simple.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by villmann on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @06:58AM (#28603766)
People who are consious about climate change are the kind of people who should have kids, and propagate those values. The world will be worse off if filled by mindless drones instead.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by probotect0r on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:34AM (#28605385)
It's possible to adopt kids and still pass on those values.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by resonious on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:44PM (#28601545)
The tough part with these arguments is that's it's not "if you didn't have kids", rather, it's "if a very large number of people didn't have kids".

If a small group of like-minded people decide to not have kids in the name of the planet, the effect would probably pale in comparison to the masses that don't hear and/or don't care about these climate change messages. I imagine the "real" solution would have to be one that doesn't require people to willingly change their way of life.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by muzani on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:24PM (#28601788)
I suspect most of these arguments come from people who prefer to be vegan or not have kids, trying to change someone else's way of life. As a form of activism, it would probably be more effective if it didn't feel so biased.
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @06:10AM (#28603542)
> in comparison to the masses that don't hear and/or don't care about these

By that logic anything you do is useless. But personally not having own kid is the single most effective thing anyone can do. People can just adopt instead.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by bluedevil2k on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @10:02AM (#28605092)
This is SUCH a stupid comment, man. Not having a kid will do absolutely NOTHING to change long term climate change. You’re falling for the PR and lies of the big carbon producing industries that make you believe that you, as an individual, have any impact on climate change at all. You don’t. Sorry if that hurts your “I can change the world” attitude.

Adopting a child is totally different than having your own kid(s) and I’m guessing based on your comments that you don’t have a child.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by throwacherry on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @11:51AM (#28606298)
1800: 1 billion people

2021: 8 billion

2050: 10 billion

Resources are finite. The world is not only ours, what about the animals and plants? Are we giving them enough space to thrive? Killing them will kill us, and our children too.

What PR and lies have you fallen for, to say individual actions don't matter? Actions have consequences. Each action is a vote. One vote doesn't matter, a lot of votes do. What are you voting for?

Giving love and safety to children who need it now is a noble act. Totally different? Maybe. But love is love. All humans come from the same source. No need to discriminate, let's spread love to all.

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by bluedevil2k on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:24PM (#28608069)
Dow Jones in 1906: 14

Dow Jones in 2022: 34,000

Maybe the Dow Jones is causing climate change!

Countries participating in the Olympics in 1896: 27

Countries participating in the Olympic in 2021: 197

No wait, the Olympics are what’s causing climate change!

Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by foundron on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:18PM (#28608738)
Oh wow you're right! Fossil-fueled industrialisation and athletes jetting around to participate in sporting events have released more carbon into the air, contributing to climate change! This is such an eye-opening insight!
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:57AM (#28614974)
"Stupid" comment (taking from your comment up).
Re:Ask HN: What can I do to actively fight climate change? by birksherty on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:55AM (#28614958)
Amount of carbon 1 person uses is more than what you can minimise, so it not NOTHING.

> totally different than having your own kid

Why? Why does one need one's genes to care for a child and to be a parent. Your comment is just complete character attack "stupid". If it's so big issue, than may be don't kid yourself about doing anything that will reduce actual climate crisis.