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Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by eptcyka on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:01PM (#28599574)
Windows 7 is horribly insecure now. Please reconsider.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by jlokier on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:51PM (#28600062)
From the article, I'm under the impression Windows 11 is horribly insecure now.

Which security issues are worse?

A built-in cloud command logger is quite bad if you don't know it's there, and is a security risk even if you know.

Some people occasionally enter things like private URLs, tokens, UUIDs, pathnames and query value onto the command line. Which is fine if they're the sort of thing that's ok in your local, private command history. Not so much if it's sent upstream.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by yabones on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:20PM (#28600671)
It entirely depends on your threat model but if yours is similar to most people, holes that let anybody on your network hijack your system via `tcp.sys` RCE's might be a showstopper...
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by SteveNuts on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:12PM (#28601351)
What about HIPAA issues like 'notepad.exe john_doe_health_info.txt'
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by selfhoster11 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:21AM (#28603313)
You're likely to have even worse HIPAA issues if someone manages to get full access on your user account.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by chakalakasp on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:41PM (#28600434)
The Windows 7 issues are worse. Far worse. But you do you, man
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by NullPrefix on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:07AM (#28602415)
Care to elaborate? Without additional arguments it sounds like pure FUD to get more people on to the win11 spyware wagon
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by chakalakasp on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:10PM (#28637174)
I mean, there is an entire field of study in cybersecurity. You're asking me why using an EOL OS that is 7 years out of patch compliance is worse than using Windows 10 and being in patch compliance. That's something you can easily Google and get 15 second answer from an authoritative source.

But like I said, you do you. You'll figure it out eventually, probably at great cost.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by geofft on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:45PM (#28600828)
Would you prefer an OS that lets Microsoft spy on you, or an OS that lets the entire world spy on you?

Obviously the correct answer is "neither," but if you're deciding between Windows 7 or 11, that isn't an option you seem to be considering. Random people on the internet in countries with lower costs of living than yours will happily install malware on your computer to drain your bank account or cryptolocker you for a couple thousand bucks. Microsoft makes way more money than that (as does every single Microsoft engineer) and doesn't care about attacking you, at least not in that way.

(Also keep in mind that Microsoft surely has a bug tracker with a pile of WONTFIX'd security vulnerabilities in Windows 7 that they just didn't get around to fixing before EOL, and almost certainly that bug tracker is less locked down internally than raw telemetry data, so if you assume Microsoft or its engineers do care about attacking you, that's probably easier on Windows 7.)

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by NullPrefix on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @02:09AM (#28602418)
I assume this is pure speculation, but one could also speculate that win10 or 11 also has a bugtracker full of security issues marked as wontfix or someLaterSprint
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by gruez on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:02PM (#28599595)
Normally yes, but you can pirate the extended support updates, which last until 2023.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by raxxorrax on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @03:44AM (#28602866)
I think this form of telemetry is far worse than the unlikely event someone uses an unfixed exploit against my OS to be honest. Although I would expect this kind of telemetry already implemented in Windows 7.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by jsjsjsjsjsjs on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:13AM (#28603288)
All it takes is going to one random website, that embeds ads, that embed an exploit kit. Not a new thing, we had this happen even with popular news sites. So yeah, it is more likely than you think.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by raxxorrax on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @05:37AM (#28603380)
I think in most cases the browser is far more relevant than the OS.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by m463 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:55PM (#28607710)
I didn't install the windows 7 telemetry updates (or the force upgrade to 8 updates, etc...)
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by m463 on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:54PM (#28607698)
to clarify: I use it offline for games and my primary systems run macos or linux.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:20PM (#28599790)
FUD. MS gathers more information about you than ever.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by eptcyka on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:23PM (#28599819)
Both of those statements can be true.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:29PM (#28599876)
It's downright fearmongering --- classic MS-style --- to say something is "horribly insecure" when it has has been around for over a decade and all the major bugs have already been found.

Nevermind the fact that everyone is almost always behind a NAT and are basically unreachable for attackers to exploit remotely.

If anything, the newer versions of Windows are "horribly inescure" because they contain so many "unknown unknowns". But that wouldn't fit the narrative MS wants to propagate...

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by jfrunyon on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:55PM (#28600090)
> and all the major bugs have already been found

Excuse me while I die of laughter.

People are still finding bugs which existed in XP. Which was supported for 12 years and was released 20 years ago.

7 was supported for 11 years and was released 12 years ago.

> Nevermind the fact that everyone is almost always behind a NAT and are basically unreachable for attackers to exploit remotely.

Sure, except that the vast majority of malware doesn't come from a remote attack.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:35PM (#28600766)
People are still finding bugs which existed in XP.

Ones which existed only in XP and not later? I doubt it. On the other hand, as for the bugs which exist only in the later versions...

Sure, except that the vast majority of malware doesn't come from a remote attack.

...then where does it come from? Don't say "users installing it", because that's nothing more than an authoritarian excuse to take away freedom --- and as the saying goes, "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither."

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by jfrunyon on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:04PM (#28600966)
> Ones which existed only in XP

When did I say that? Finding a bug in Win10 which has existed since XP is just as dangerous as finding a bug only in XP, given that the patch Microsoft releases for Win10 will not be released for XP.

> ...then where does it come from?

Vulnerabilities in locally installed software? Supply-chain attacks, drive-by attacks, clickjacking attacks? Or, you know, users installing it? Believe it or not, users frequently install malware; otherwise, there wouldn't be such a proliferation of fake "driver" sites on the internet. I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that facts are an authoritarian excuse to take away freedom, particularly since I have never and would never advocate for disallowing people to install whatever software they like.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by eptcyka on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:40PM (#28599966)
I wouldn't use an Android phone for anything safety critical if it was more than 6 months behind the latest security patches. Why would it be any different for Windows?

Of course, we can play the asterisk game and expressly state that if the machine is not connected to the internet and not used to browse the web, then it's probably safe. Or if you like browse the web in a VM. I still have to wonder if the patches for these kinds of issues[1] get backported to Windows 7.

As to the appeal for age, I think software ages like seafood in terms of security. Just because it's been deployed for years doesn't mean that there aren't vulnerabilities lurking in that code. Although I will concede that as Windows 7 loses users, the payoff for finding a vulnerability will decrease too.

[1]: https://www.sentinelone.com/labs/cve-2021-3438-16-years-in-h...

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:59PM (#28607759)
> Or if you like browse the web in a VM.

What if you just browse the web in an up-to-date web browser? In both cases, the browser has a sandbox that should keep you safe.

Multiple layers of defense are of course better—but in both cases, someone would need a zero day to escape the sandbox, right?

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by kube-system on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:37PM (#28599941)
Plenty of new CVEs are in code that has been around for decades. For an example recently in the news: https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-20...
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by gruez on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:39PM (#28599955)
> It's downright fearmongering --- classic MS-style --- to say something is "horribly insecure" when it has has been around for over a decade and all the major bugs have already been found.

Have they? We just had printernightmare (CVE-2021-34527) a few months ago. In certain configurations you can even get RCE.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:21PM (#28600677)
We just had printernightmare (CVE-2021-34527) a few months ago.

That's a remote authenticated code execution...

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by gruez on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:35PM (#28601848)
What are you trying to say here? "it's been 10 years so surely they ironed out the critical vulnerabilities (eg. eternal blue) by now. all the vulnerabilities left are probably the lame ones like printnightmare".
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:53PM (#28601607)
Downvoters, please GO READ THE PoC CODE THAT YOU CAN FIND EVERYWHERE.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by userbinator on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:27AM (#28602289)
I guess the FUD-spreading paranoia-shills are too busy downvoting to actually check the facts.

...which is how this fucking corporatoracy will try to maintain its power. You can point out the very clear and visible truth, but they'll just deny it. Fortunately, the number of people who realise they're being fleeced is slowly rising.

Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by orf on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @04:43AM (#28603128)
You’re missing the point of why you’re being downvoted. Go actually reply to people engaging you, rather than ranting to yourself.
Re:Text entered into Windows' Run dialogue gets sent to Micr... by spywaregorilla on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:48PM (#28600036)
Have all the insecurities been patched? There's pretty much only downsides to unpatched, known vulnerabilities vs. unknown vulnerabilities with the slight exception that you'd be a little more justified assuming you're safe when you're not. The likelihood of suffering a loss is much higher.