Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by kristjansson on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:54PM (#28542215)

Presenting that table without an applicable denominator is misleading. The N on the table is a count of adverse events, not of people or does. The reported events occurred at a rate of between ~5 and ~70 per million doses administered for the highlighted age groups. Higher than background risk? Yes. High risk? No.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by brendoelfrendo on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:09PM (#28534802)

The CDC saw roughly 1300 cases of myocarditis or myopericarditis reported in mRNA vaccine recipients under 29 years old, after administering 52 million doses to that same age group, a minuscule risk and one much lower than that presented by COVID-19. [1]

And even then, in those cases, the vast majority resolve on their own with minimal medical intervention. [2]

But hey, have a link to the CDC source of that presentation so you don’t have to go to that .win site anymore to find your sources. They’re pretty bad at sourcing information over there [3]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/

[3] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by logicchains on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @12:50AM (#28535381)

From the latest data it looks like the CDC was undercounting: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v...

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by inciampati on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:42AM (#28535650)

> Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence.

In short, COVID-19 is not very dangerous for younger people. So much so that the vaccine appears to pose a greater health risk.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by snovv_crash on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:19AM (#28535837)

They aren't comparing apples and apples. CAE occured at all for vaccine, vs. 120+ day stay in hospital for covid.

And of course they removed those with comorbidities, who are exactly the ones who are worse affected by covid than the vaccine.

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by phonypc on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:01AM (#28538545)

Breakdown of how that preprint fails: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dumpster-diving-in-vaers-do...

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by slumpt_ on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:57PM (#28534713)

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-va...

“patriots.win” was a solid red flag.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by nradov on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:12PM (#28534816)

I'm not familiar with "patriots.win” but the table image linked above is an accurate excerpt from this CDC presentation. The mRNA vaccines have caused a higher than expected rate of adverse cardiac events in young males. I encourage everyone to read the whole file for context.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by slumpt_ on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:24PM (#28534891)

Yes. I’m aware.

Context is everything, and the scientific community does not deem this concern catastrophic.

I invite you to visit that website (patriots…) if you want to see some spectacular bullshit.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by heavyset_go on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:52PM (#28535061)

You're aware that the antivax grift train is a tried and true method for parting the dim and desperate from their money, right?

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by tommymachine on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:58PM (#28535107)

Really? I’m still waiting on my taxpayer sponsored bill to come in from the “anti vaccine” manufacturer.

Actually, that’s great idea. Someone should make an antidote for the “vaccines”. It would sell like gangbusters.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by robbedpeter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @12:50AM (#28535378)

A "USB powered" anti mrna ... ionic... field generator. With magnets, colloidal silver and, uh... homeopathic copper. Yeah!

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by artificial on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:30AM (#28535574)

Moonwater!

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by shaklee3 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:02AM (#28535440)

The places you read to get the anti-vax data are being paid handsomely in ads.

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by proxyon on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:33AM (#28535924)

Please tell me you don't actually believe this

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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by shaklee3 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:55AM (#28538486)

You don't believe those sites are making a ton of money on ads? My whole family is anti vaxxers, I've seen the websites and the YouTube channels. All of these places are making tons of money off providing bad takes on statistics.

To be clear, I'm to the point where I think opening everything is okay. The people that wanted to be vaccinated are, and the people that aren't will get sick by their own choice.

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