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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by betwixthewires on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:58PM (#28531985)
They accept responsibility by paying for medical care, paying insurance, or paying taxes into a socialized healthcare system, depending on which country you live. Refusing to treat sick people is not forcing them to take responsibility for their decisions, it is coercing them into making a decision they don't want to make, and I think k you know that.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by DFHippie on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:26PM (#28532342)
Imagine this scenario: You have one ICU bed and two people with gunshot wounds. One got the wound because he played with a gun and shot himself. The other got the wound because he was shot accidentally by the first person. Only one person gets the bed. Which one do you give the bed to?

Let's make it a little more topical: Both people were told not to play with the gun and that there were insufficient ICU beds. The first person still played with the gun and shot himself and another person. This was a personal choice he made. His luck was against him (and the person he shot).

Let's make it more topical still: The two people were told, "Look, we know you want to play with guns. We really don't want you to. Receiving treatment for gunshot wounds is less likely to lead to long life than simply not getting shot, and we have other illnesses we need to treat. Here's an additional incentive: if we don't have sufficient medical resources to treat everyone, the people who ignore this warning will get treated after those who don't." Yes, this is coercion, inasmuch as it is influencing their decision, but under this definition of coercion, coercion hardly seems like something to worry about, certainly not as much as getting shot.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by jjgreen on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:11PM (#28532768)
You give the bed to the person with the worse wounds.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rpmisms on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:05PM (#28534354)
Hey look, somebody knows their medical ethics! Allowing doctors to choose who they'd rather help first is a bad path to take.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by random314 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:15AM (#28536938)
Personal choice and responsibility runs both ways. Unvaccinated welfare queens must be screened out of the system.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by kristjansson on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:55PM (#28532631)
> paying insurance

Should vaccine refusal then result in increased premiums, or increased coinsurance for covid-related care? How many people would make the choice if they had to bear even part of the expected value of their increased medical costs themselves?

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by betwixthewires on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:05PM (#28534775)
Maybe, but that is for insurance companies to decide. Just like they decide rates for smokers, obese people, etc.

Although I don't know of any insurance companies that have rates for people that have not undergone certain medical procedures. That sounds unethical to me.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by random314 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:17AM (#28536954)
It's a cost benefit analysis. Why is it unethical? Why should the vaccinated population pay for unvaccinated welfare queens?