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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by q-big on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:57PM (#28531977)
> Nobody likes being in the control group of the first working anti-aging serum...

You only know whether it works when the study has been completed. You also only know whether the drug has (potentially) disastrous consequences when the study has been completed. Thus, I am not completely sure whether your claim holds.

Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by bluGill on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:40PM (#28532490)
You missed the working part. Success was a prerequisite to their after the fact feelings. At least some of the control group will be in old age but still alive when we know it woris. They might not know if it is infinite life (and side effects may turn it into die at 85, so some control may outlive the intervention group after the study ), but they will know on average they did worse
Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by q-big on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:53PM (#28533181)
> At least some of the control group will be in old age but still alive when we know it woris.

The anti-aging serum could work (i.e. make you older), but have strong negative side effects.

Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by TameAntelope on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @04:54AM (#28536790)
So then it wouldn't "work", where "work" as used here is defined, "to function or operate according to plan or design".

And no, it's not reasonable to assume I meant "work" as in, "have an anti-aging serum that has strong negative side effects."

Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by q-big on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @07:16AM (#28537660)
An anti-aging serum works if it reduces or removed specific (or even most/all?) effects that are related to aging.
Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by bluGill on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @07:24AM (#28537715)
Relative to other side effects. Remember we are in a post serum existing scenario so we would have the knowledge of those as part of the discussion on if it works.
Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by HWR_14 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:14PM (#28533366)
People opt into the study in the first place. I'm willing to bet that no one opts into the study hoping to be in the control group.
Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by falcor84 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:26PM (#28534020)
Well, some medical studies pay good money, so it's perfectly rational to sign up for these and hope to get the placebo.
Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by HWR_14 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:32PM (#28534074)
Fair enough. I tend to think of most of them as paying just a small amount where the main goal is to get treatment, but I'm sure some pay better than others.