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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by josephcsible on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:51PM (#28504295)
What alternative do you suggest? Lying to the public? Or the government making every decision for them like they're all children? Both of those sound much, much worse.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by 1helloworld1 on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:11PM (#28504444)
Yeah, lie to the public for the greater good. If lying gets more people to wear masks and get vaccinated, and can prevent thousands of deaths, so be it. What's wrong with lying?
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by slowmovintarget on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:39PM (#28505260)
No, don't lie to the public. That's what happened in the first place. "Pfft... you don't need masks." The government said that because masks were hard to get and they wanted to control public behavior. This turned out to be a lie, everyone found out, then regardless of whether the authorities were giving good, accurate advice or not, the trust had been breached.

Politicians saw this as an opportunity to gain ground. In the absence of any trusted authority it became an us vs. them thing for too many people.

Don't lie to the public. Tell them the truth, tell them what they ought to do, and why you think so. Earn trust. It'll be easier to get people to do the right thing.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by mcguire on Sunday September 12, 2021 @06:59PM (#28505865)
""Pfft... you don't need masks." The government said that because masks were hard to get and they wanted to control public behavior. This turned out to be a lie,..."

This is false.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28201328

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by gizmo on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:46PM (#28504747)
Because democracy is much better than some kind of authoritarian system where the common people are considered stupid and ignorant and undeserving of having a say in how their society is ran.

The big problem here is that many people don’t think democracy is worth preserving, and they’re fine being lied to as long as they’re comfortable and have competent leaders. Except…. when the democratic checks and balances that keep the powers that be in check fail everything goes to shit. First slowly, then quickly.

I don’t want to turn this into an overly political rant, but if you look at recent history it’s not hard to see how bad things happen when politicians and other authority figures can lie with impunity.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by Negitivefrags on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:25PM (#28504581)
The problem with it is that you lose trust.

If I know you lied about the efficacy of the vaccine then how do I know you didn't lie about the chance of bad side effects too?

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by antognini on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:23PM (#28504566)
Because invariably the truth eventually comes out and then people trust their government even less? Then when the next crisis comes along it doesn't matter if you lie or tell the truth, the public won't listen anyway.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by mdp2021 on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:24PM (#28504574)
> What's wrong with lying

Where to start.

First of all, dignity.

Mental pollution.

Problematic instancing of what is «greater good».

Retribution.

Precendents and possibility of abuse.

Alienating all those who immediately cease trust [against the matter] in front of what smells of a lie.

Cessation of trust [against the agent].

...There must be more.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by hackflip on Monday September 13, 2021 @11:37AM (#28512834)
Lying works the first time. After you've lost people's trust, they are less likely to listen the second time, even if you're telling the truth the second time.