> The hospitals are clogged because the basic in person care is crippled by covid prevention practices.

They also seem to be suffering from the labor shortage. Only secondhand anecdata from friends in the medical field, but nurses seem to be getting harder to hire and retain right now.

Thank you, but I was asking for actual verifiable information that hospitals are getting clogged due to non-vaccinated people. I asked for two reasons. 1) That is not at all the case with the hospitals near me. 2) The recent articles I've seen make this assertion were immediately retracted due to the people they relied upon not telling the truth.

So, before I speak with some of my unvaxxed friends, I wanted actual information to support, otherwise they could (correctly) say not to bring them unfounded assertions.

For example: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman...

Thank you, but that isn't an example of ICUs filled with non-vaxxed. It might be an example of filled ICUs. When I look at reported ICU information for Mississippi, the data doesn't support that. [1]

I appreciate your posting that, but it isnt helpful for my situation.

[1] https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html

Given that vaccination significantly decreases an individual's risk of hospitalization and that only about 40% of Missippippians are fully vaccinated, it seems like we would be justified in inferring that the people filling the ICUs are generally unvaccinated, no?

Filling the icus might only mean adding 4-8 heads over existing load though if you only have 20-30 beds and you are running 70-80% as a baseline

The ICUs are full of people with suspected covid. Vaccinated people are less likely to have covid. 40% of Mississippi is vaccinated.

Which point are you having trouble with?

They don't put people simply pending a COVID test in the ICU.

Mississippi was recently down to six ICU beds in the entire state: https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/04/just-6-icu-beds-available-en...

Arkansas got to zero: https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pande...

This isn't explicable with your hypothesis.

You can absolutely go to your PCP for a COVID test, and get your ear infection treated while you're there.

Not here you can’t. They specifically ban anyone with covid like symptoms from entering which is like everything.

Besides what are the outcomes for using ICUs for covid. I bet long term outcomes are pretty dismal, that might be a good time to say unless you are healthy and under 55 if you need icu it might just be your time. Rationing care is a ethical and practical thing to do.