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Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by scrollaway on Sunday September 12, 2021 @09:42AM (#28501063)
Blood donors are going to be underrepresentative of people with a fear of needles, people who don't trust the medical system, and be overrepresentative of selfless people.

I suspect an extremely strong correlation between giving blood and being vaccinated.

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by mcny on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:22AM (#28501395)
I agree that there must be a strong correlation.

I had a classmate who was horrified to learn I checked the organ donor box in my driver's license. Their parents told them if you check that box, the medical staff will be more likely to let you die so they can reuse your parts. I did't have any authoritative answer but the point is there are people out there with fears that sound rational but are completely in the realm of conspiracy theory.

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by toyg on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:46AM (#28502190)
> fears that sound rational but are completely in the realm of conspiracy theory.

Sadly these fears in the UK are well-founded:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Hey_organs_scandal

* https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/missing...

There were quite a few other similar scandals, particularly in England. The medical profession in this country, for a very long time, has had a remarkable contempt for the lives of people, probably steeped in the classism and elitism traditionally entrenched in university education in Britain. This might be different today (Alder Hey, in particular, triggered new legislation about organ handling in 2004), but it's hard to shake off such a history.

I used to carry a organ-donor card and I'm probably still on some register somewhere, but over the last decade I've kinda soured on the idea. As a clear outsider and a bit of a loner, living in the downtrodden North of England, there would likely be nobody who would oppose an over-eager doctor from pulling the plug on me without even trying to help first, just so that a few waiting lists can be shortened and he can look good with his boss.

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by rjsw on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:55AM (#28502264)
Organ donation is now opt-out in the UK.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by toyg on Sunday September 12, 2021 @12:00PM (#28502300)
ah wow, thanks, i see - from last year. Opt-out here: https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/do-n...
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by Nexxxeh on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:16PM (#28504493)
Neither of those are about organ donation.

If you think that doctors aren't likely to do their level best to save your life and to act in your best interests, you surely have larger problems that you, being braindead at the time, having your organs potentially used to save the lives of others?

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by toyg on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:32PM (#28505196)
They are about organ misuse, which these days would likely include donations (less common at the time).

>you surely have larger problems

Maybe, but that's one more incentive, and not a small one either. Even the definition of "braindead" is somewhat controversial in many circumstances, nowadays, with doctors having the power to make some pretty radical choices - occasionally even against the explicit wishes of patient and family.

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by novaRom on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:37AM (#28509757)
Birmingham Children's Hospital and Alder Hey Children's Hospital in Liverpool had also given thymus glands, removed from live children during heart surgery, to a pharmaceutical company for research in return for financial donations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Hey_organs_scandal

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:50AM (#28501658)
> conspiracy theory

We don't call them that anymore. The new term is "spoiler alert"

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by shkkmo on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:32AM (#28502073)
In the US there are issues with the organ donation checkbox. I am fine with organs going to save the lives of people on waiting lists. I am less fine with my tissues veying harvested by corrupt "non-profits" that re-sell my bits in commodity markets while undermining the ethics of medical examiners and coroners. I wish there was a way to do one and not the other.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by rdtwo on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:41PM (#28504202)
This is the reason for me too. Someone is making a handsome profit off my body parts and that’s not cool
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by new_guy on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:31AM (#28501488)
If you're not able to refute their statement why would you dismiss it as a 'conspiracy theory'?

In fact your classmate is correct, you also need to be 'alive' for your organs to be harvested, there's an entire ongoing field of debate in the medical community about the ethics of this, which a quick peruse of the literature will get you upto speed on.

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by bserge on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:05AM (#28501809)
Hmmm, how would they deal with a card that says both "Do Not Resuscitate" and "Organ Donor"?
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by pasabagi on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:16PM (#28505039)
To be honest, even if that was official policy, I would totally tick that box. You're much better off avoiding the kind of extreme intervention to prolong life that makes scrapping your corpse for parts seem like a good idea to a doctor.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by rdtwo on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:39PM (#28504189)
I checked no for the same reason. Also I don’t want corporations to profit off my body parts. It would be different if they shared the money with my family or they at least got to choose who got them.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by Nexxxeh on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:18PM (#28504504)
But then your organs just go to waste, rather than be used to save lives.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by rdtwo on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:38PM (#28505246)
Yeah it’s true but I’d rather not enrich a bunch of middle men. I think the system is unfair and I don’t want to contribute
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by Nexxxeh on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:29PM (#28518242)
You feel sufficiently strongly to condemn those in need of organ transplant, potentially, to death?

If you see them as victims of the system, doesn't refusing to donate your organs literally making things worse for them?

It feels like you're saying "I could save your life, but I won't because the system isn't the way I want it."

Is that a reasonable summary, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by rdtwo on Monday September 13, 2021 @09:21PM (#28519055)
I see it like i see the Salvation Army. They do a lot of good but every time you donate a portion of the donation goes to hateful causes and so the entire thing is tainted and I refuse to donate to them.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by Bombthecat on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:45AM (#28502187)
And, well, taking care of yourself.

Distancing, not going to parties etc etc