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Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by throwdecro on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:13PM (#28494328)
I chose random blog post on Medium and tried to copy a sentence out of it. It offers to let me "create an account to highlight a passage", or tweet it out via Twitter, but I can't just copy it and paste it into my notes elsewhere.

Whose idea was it to assert this level of control over written material, especially user-generated material? It's a very unpleasant experience.

EDIT: Dialing down my tone a bit here, I should have taken a minute between trying the frustrating thing and posting about it.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by quaintdev on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:42PM (#28494616)
I understand general public can fall prey to fancy UI and easy blogging but I do not expect medium to be used by people from IT who know better.

For example, recently both Dart and Flutter got version upgrade and they announced this via Medium. I mean you have largest Software company backing you. Why would you choose medium for your blog!?

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by Ekaros on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:46PM (#28494663)
Isn't software development currently just going and picking up what is the big popular name today. Be that platform, database, language or framework. Picking Medium fits perfectly to this mind-set. Move fast break things. Don't reinvent the wheel... Or do when it makes CV better even if you are writing same product again...
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by abraham on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:19PM (#28494995)
It's not like Google has it's own blogging platform...
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by giantrobot on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:22PM (#28495021)
Shhh, don't tell them! They'll kill it if they remember it's there.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by imachine1980_ on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:48PM (#28494687)
medium was a great platform, you can make you own subdomain and mange what you want, then the focus change from make a great blog experience from a modic price for non tech-savy to, try to become a premium buzzfed, the ui is the same but the home screen is full of crappy shit first post(The Real Way to Figure Out How Smart Someone Is it work every time), and you are force to premium or kick like happens to hackernoon and freecodecamp
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by jayzalowitz on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:47PM (#28496363)
One of the founders of Hackernoon here. They didn't kick so much as "you cant make any money here, and we are going to make it difficult for you to operate"

Ev and co arent bad people. Im actually a fan, but i think he is shortsighted in his goals.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by matheusmoreira on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:13PM (#28494943)
> Whose idea was it to assert this level of control over written material

The real mistake was giving web developers the power to do this in the first place. It was meant to help usability by preventing selection of things that weren't meant to be selected.

Of course the first thing people did instead was abuse it in order to protect "their content".

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by heywintermute on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:30PM (#28494492)
It's even more frustrating when it some programming related blog and you can't copy and paste the code snippet
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by a5aAqU on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:42PM (#28494625)
Also, the code snippets often don't work when you paste them because of the "smart quotes".
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:32PM (#28494513)
The worst part is this can be activated with CSS.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by have_faith on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:03PM (#28494844)
There's a lot of genuine use cases for pointer-events: none, so it's a difficult issue to navigate.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by bool3max on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:42PM (#28495187)
No need to dial your tone down, the absolute fucking baboons whose idea that level of restriction on a website was deserve every bit of hate and criticism they get.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by marban on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:25PM (#28494433)
Reader mode is your friend. (Not that I'm a supporter of this pattern)
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by aaaaaaaaaaab on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:05PM (#28494857)
It seems that you’re using a user-hostile agent instead of a user agent.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by tomrod on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:45PM (#28494650)
It's been this way since they launched, hasn't it?

I tell you what would be really nice: a browser that lets me click & launch into reader mode directly.

None of these shenanigans with Turing complete JS. Just give me text to read.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by skyfaller on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:32PM (#28495101)
Everyone talks about how complicated browsers and the modern web are, and how impossible it is to make a new browser engine, even Microsoft gave up...

What about a reader mode browser engine? Couldn't you make a great browser from scratch by limiting it to this use case?

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by btdmaster on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:13PM (#28496093)
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by gumby on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:01PM (#28494814)
> I tell you what would be really nice: a browser that lets me click & launch into reader mode directly.

Safari can be set to use reader mode by default (then you can tell it to ignore individual sites). I use it in this mode.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by tomrod on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:14PM (#28494952)
Safari is stuck in the dark ages of Apple lockin, isn't it?
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by gumby on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:53PM (#28495292)
I'm not sure I would call it "lockin" but yes, it only runs on Apple devices.

You asked if any browser does this, and I said that one did. Other browsers supported by your browsing history are unlikely to make this change.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by tomrod on Saturday September 11, 2021 @04:13PM (#28495466)
Totally fair take.

Seems like it should be an easy plugin. I'll see if firefox has anything.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by JumpCrisscross on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:31PM (#28495091)
> Safari is stuck in the dark ages of Apple lockin, isn't it?

Why would Apple be obligated or even incentivised to make their browser for other operating systems?

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by tomrod on Saturday September 11, 2021 @04:09PM (#28495425)
Same reason smart musicians embraced Napster. Led to more sales as the world shifted to streaming.

In what world would they not want their browser to be used?

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by gumby on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:41PM (#28496314)
They used to support Safari for Windows but it was a lot of work. It was worth it so that developers using Windows had a change of testing for Safari as well. Once the iphone came out and Macs became popular development machines in their own right, the burden of supporting Safari on Windows stopped mattering.

In Google's case the opposite applies: they don't have a development platform but need ubiquity because collecting user data is their reason for being. So they need to support a lot of platforms for the sake of their customers' (i.e. companies buying ads).

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by julianlam on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:53PM (#28494728)
Can you not do this with browsers? Turning off JS should get rid of most of the egregious stuff, and I think at least Firefox lets you strip out CSS and inject your own (or if not, then via plugin like Greasemonkey)...
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by tomrod on Saturday September 11, 2021 @06:42PM (#28496775)
Maybe? The experience would be:

- Normal model with JS on (modulo ad blocker/flash blocker)

- Oh, hey, a site that plays shenanigans with text!

- Rightclick, open in reader view

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by stalfosknight on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:35PM (#28495121)
I solve that in Safari by enabling the Development menu and mapping Shift⌘J to Disable JavaScript.

Works great for any website that tries to disable right clicking for whatever reason.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by johnchristopher on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:17PM (#28494366)
> Whose idea was it to assert this level of control over written material, especially user-generated material? It's not just user-hostile, it's sadistic.

It's optimized for public sharing of user generated content to social network platforms. Web 2.0 in a nutshell but optimized for outreach, not personal log.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by atoav on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:32PM (#28494516)
Breaking a browsers default behaviour IMO needs a good justification. This isn't a good justification.

If sharing would be really that important to your plattform, why not add it as an option that doesn't break expected behaviour?

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by johnchristopher on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:39PM (#28494587)
You are not the intended audience.

I am not defending their model nor their implementation.

> Breaking a browsers default behaviour IMO needs a good justification. This isn't a good justification.

Good enough for them though. Their site, their choice. Also, it's not like there isn't many browser extensions to disable that behavior.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by a5aAqU on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:46PM (#28494661)
> You are not the intended audience.

A site full of programming articles (Medium) probably wants its articles to be read by programmers.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by johnchristopher on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:45PM (#28495213)
> A site full of programming articles (Medium) probably wants its articles to be read by programmers.

I haven't found official data but programming is in the 25th position and software in dev in the 40th:

Here are the top 43 most popular Medium tags in 2021

    Life (520,000 followers)

    Startup (487,000 followers)

    Blockchain (473,000 followers)

    Poetry (455,000 followers)

    Life Lessons (452,000 followers)

    Politics (396,000 followers)

    Health (374,000 followers)

    Love (350,000 followers)

    Travel (334,000 followers)

    Technology (334,000 followers)

    Entrepreneurship (333,000 followers)

    Self Improvement (332,000 followers)

    Education (330,000 followers)

    Writing (324,000 followers)

    Business (320,000 followers)

    Cryptocurrency (314,000 followers)

    Design (267,000 followers)

    Social Media (241,000 followers)

    Music (228,000 followers)

    Relationships (214,000 followers)

    Social Media (214,000 followers)

    Sports (209,000 followers)

    Mental Health (202,000 followers)

    Productivity (187,000 followers)

    Programming (186,000 followers)

    Food (167,000 followers)

    Leadership (166,000 followers)

    Javascript (160,000 followers)

    Art (152,000 followers)

    Fiction (143,000 followers)

    Humor (143,000 followers)

    Artificial Intelligence (143,000 followers)

    UX (138,000 followers)

    Culture (136,000 followers)

    Books (135,00 followers)

    Photography (128,000 followers)

    Creativity (126,000 followers)

    Data Science (123,000 followers)

    Psychology (119,000 followers)

    Software Development (117,000 followers)

    Coronavirus (115,000 followers)

    Self (104,000 followers)

    Family (103,000 followers)

https://findingtom.com/most-popular-medium-tags/

Other articles I found also show programming articles are in the bottom of the list.

Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by a5aAqU on Thursday September 16, 2021 @01:05PM (#28554315)
I'm not saying that there is only tech content on Medium, but it's a large part of the site. The list you posted has many programming-related categories in it.
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by jayzalowitz on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:48PM (#28496372)
Its almost like someone should have started a programming focused publication on Medium or something :P
Re:No More Medium – Build Your Own Site (2019) by oxfordmale on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:20PM (#28494996)
I use Firefox with Noscript browser next to my regular browser for any such websites with questionable practices.