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Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by vmception on Saturday September 11, 2021 @01:14PM (#28493698)
We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars

Sometimes its useful to think inside the box

But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.

Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by jazzyjackson on Saturday September 11, 2021 @01:56PM (#28494136)
I don’t really understand what US/allies get from maintaining a theocracy in SA, chevron and british petroleum predate the modern kingdom, right? why is it good business sense to let the royal family siphon cash like there’s no tomorrow?

seems to me a political explanation is more likely, probably related to the holy war with Iran. In that case I never really understood why we took an anti-theocratic stance there.

Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:40PM (#28494592)
Saudi Arabia broadly respects western wishes, they let the western companies make billions of dollars off their oil while the monarchy also makes billions of dollars. The West worries that if they rock the boat, a situation like Venezuela or Iran will happen, where the state tries to cut out the western companies from getting a cut.

Iran provides the perfect example of why we tolerate Saudi Arabia. From 1901 to 1951, Iran's oil was controlled primarily by the British. In 1951, a democratic movement lead to the nationalization of the oil industry, which quickly led to a CIA backed coup. For the next ~30 years, a Western backed dictatorship ruled and their violent rule lead to the 1979 revolution being overtly hostile to the West.

The West fears any other Saudi government would end up hostile to the West, given their decades of support for the monarchy.

Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by dylan604 on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:49PM (#28495249)
The devil you know...

If you hold an election after toppling a non-democratic government, you never know if that's going to be the last election or not. Also, you just can't trust that the people will elect your "guy". If you're already "controlling" the current leadership, no need to turn over the apple cart.

Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by creato on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#28495326)
My relatively uneducated impression: it seems like the current leaders of Saudi Arabia are the most liberal (in the classical sense) option. Other candidates for leadership are even more hardline religious conservatives (and when people think of the 9/11 hijackers coming from SA, it's from these groups). Pushing against the current leadership is unlikely to result in an overall improvement in the situation.
Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by vmception on Saturday September 11, 2021 @02:07PM (#28494265)
taking over places is more expensive than letting people have their own self determination. distributes the load, still gets the resources and influence. greater levels of animosity avoided, sometimes completely.
Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by yyyk on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:11PM (#28494925)
>We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars

Very unlikely. Any military involvement anywhere near Mecca and Medina is off the table barring being invited or some utterly insane scenario.

Re:September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time by mcguire on Saturday September 11, 2021 @06:26PM (#28496661)
"...barring being invited or some utterly insane scenario."

I think you're being redundant there. US troops anywhere in Saudi Arabia is kind of a big deal.