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Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by cercatrova on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:40PM (#28477178)
Reading things like these in other (even developed, Western) nations:

- UK surveillance state powers, anti-porn laws

- Australian laws to detain you, break encryption

- This German incident

I sure am glad to live in a country where freedoms are explicitly guaranteed by a constitutional decree.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by dang on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:10AM (#28478937)
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. Last thing we need here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by paranoidrobot on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:00PM (#28477290)
> I sure am glad to live in a country where freedoms are explicitly guaranteed by a constitutional decree.

I can only assume you're referring to the US's Constitution.

Rights that are apparently guaranteed by the US Constitution are routinely ignored by all levels of US Government.

You may get your day in court, you may even have the court rule in your favour. That does not mean you're made whole, or that the government will back down and stop doing things that infringe upon your rights.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by calvinmorrison on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:08PM (#28477360)
Rights do not emenate from a dusty scrap of parchment a few hundred years ago. They are immutable.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by danielheath on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:15PM (#28477416)
Moral rights, perhaps.

Legal rights? Extremely mutable.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by swiley on Friday September 10, 2021 @12:10AM (#28477726)
The constitution carries more weight than you think: the highest governments in the US are the states which delegate their power to DC via the constitution. It’s a contract, and when violated the power is removed.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by calvinmorrison on Friday September 10, 2021 @12:30AM (#28477825)
Please sir show me the contract Americans have signed without duress or coercion. Simply put all governments exist via the rule of force and individual sovereignty does not depent on despots in power.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by nautilius on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:21PM (#28477455)
If this refers to the US: Is this sarcastic?

Does the name Edward Snowden ring a bell, and the total surveillance state programs in the US, against US citizens, he revealed?

-the perpetual drive of FBI etc to have e.g. phones decrypted, or have companies install back doors? (e.g. Bernardino)?

- the last administrations systematic programs against ‘unpleasant’ journalists?

- black sites and places like Guantanamo that you could just disappear to?

- civil forfeiture laws that allow the police, without any process, to take your personal property, without any wrongdoing on your part?

- how many people are killed by police in those other countries (at all), and also, how many times does this lead to a prosecution of the officer in question?

Etc.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by robbedpeter on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:26PM (#28477485)
America has had its overreaches in recent history - the Florida covid whistle-blower and so forth.

I have to think that officials are hesitant to engage in many of the petty tyranny we see in other western countries, however, at a rate proportional to the degree to which their constituents are armed. If a police raid has a non trivial chance of turning into a shootout, it's a tool frequently withheld, and probably never used over a tweet.

The wrongful death process in civil courts would also destroy the life of any official who provoked a deadly raid over social media.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by PixyMisa on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:41PM (#28477575)
The Florida COVID "whistle-blower" has been arrested at every job she has ever held.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by robbedpeter on Friday September 10, 2021 @01:22AM (#28478071)
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/is-florida-covid-data-...

No she hasn't.

She was a stupid kid and did stupid kid things, millennial style. She went through the legal system for crossing the line, but by the time she held the job for Florida state government - a decade later - she seems to have married, had children, found a respectable job, and was otherwise a normal human being. And she is probably mortified over the student/professor bad soap, stalker drama she inflicted on the world.

At worst she was a psycho college girlfriend cliché. At best she's a redemption story, and good for her if that's the case.

She never finished her degree, but still found a job as a data scientist, then blew it up because Florida officials wanted to lie.

Have empathy and practice forgiveness, especially on people who did nothing to you. It costs you nothing to withhold what amounts to snide gossip.

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by girvo on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:02PM (#28477308)
Which is at the mercy of interpretation from the court; we must always be vigilant and be ready to agitate against this becoming common, as your constitution doesn’t actually guarantee anything: humans are still the ones who run and decide things. The constitution isn’t the silicon American society runs on, it’s more firmware, to use a shitty analogy.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by MiddleEndian on Friday September 10, 2021 @01:52AM (#28478236)
The US is not without flaws, we have SESTA and FOSTA, which restrict website content, passed with minimal outcry, and the potentially upcoming EARN IT[0] and LAED[1] acts, which will threaten end-to-end encryption and more. The only senator vaguely aware of these problems seems to be Ron Wyden.

No reason to assume we are able to simply relax.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EARN_IT_Act_of_2020 (despite the year in the name, it's still an ongoing potential bill)

1. https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-n...

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by Littlebigo on Thursday September 09, 2021 @11:23PM (#28477463)
Freedom to not have any vacations for years, freedom to not get medical aid, freedom to get fired over Twitter on a whim, freedom to get shot by the police, freedom to be subject to government surveillance, freedom to have a flawed democracy, freedom to have your children shot in school by deranged classmates... Freedom doesn't necessarily mean "better".
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by dang on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:11AM (#28478944)
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, and please don't post in the flamewar style generally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by jhgb on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:48PM (#28477217)
Ironically, said country with freedoms explicitly guaranteed by a constitutional decree rubber-stamped the German constitution that allowed for this.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by l33t2328 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:54PM (#28477251)
Blaming America for Germany’s draconian speech laws isn’t right at all. It’s been almost 80 years.
Re:A Twitter user insulted a German politician, then police ... by jhgb on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:56PM (#28477267)
Who says I'm blaming anyone? All I'm saying is that apparently some major people in the US saw it proposed and thought nothing of it.