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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by bserge on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:52AM (#28457928)
Methodologies vary, but comparing deaths to any of the previous years, it is clear that they've increased. And the only major change was the new virus.

But of course, never let a good chance go to waste. We'll see an increase in restrictions because of Covid, they're not going away anytime soon.

Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by 988747 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:12AM (#28458256)
The major change, at least in my country, is that healthcare is so focused on COVID that they are neglecting patients with other diseases. So the excess deaths are mostly effect of that.
Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by ziml77 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:58PM (#28459855)
There is limited capacity to provide care for people. If people are without COVID dying because COVID cases are taking up that capacity, then COVID is a factor in those deaths as well.

One of the earliest fears about the spread of COVID was exactly this issue: too many cases would overwhelm the healthcare system and cause deaths to rise even more. Even if we couldn't stop the spread of the virus, one of the goals was to slow it down to keep the number of simultaneous cases to a minimum.

Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by jazzyjackson on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:42PM (#28460517)
should they leave the covid patients in the hallways? whats the alternative? people dying from overloaded hospitals has always been the concern, ever since “flatten the curve”
Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by switch007 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:09AM (#28458206)
Then they can cite an excess deaths stat then.
Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by vmception on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:27PM (#28460297)
your point here seems to be that people aren't doing that

who is "they" in your opinion, because plenty of people and organizations do cite excess death stats

are you really so far removed that you need us to provide a citation on excess deaths, this far into things? this reminds me of conversations in May 2020, because this entire conversation was procedurally generated in May 2020. Have you considered the possibility that all your apps marginalized you in this niche where no other information is shown to you everyday for the past year?