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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by ridaj on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:42AM (#28457748)
There have been clear excess deaths (mortality rate increases) from all causes combined during waves. Most evaluations of excess deaths that I've seen conclude that Covid deaths are undercounted not over counted.
Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by switch007 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:09AM (#28458222)
They didn’t cite excess deaths however. Hence my question

Again, you say “covid deaths”. That is not precise.

Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by ridaj on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:22PM (#28461824)
Do we say "death from car accidents" or "death with car accident"? Do we discount terminal cancer patients, diabetics and asthmatics from car accident stats because they had a preexisting condition? In the case of covid as with car accidents, it's a distinction without a difference. Yes people are more predisposed to die from covid because of them, but analyses of all-causes excess mortality do not support the hypothesis that there is a large difference between deaths with covid and deaths from covid.

EDIT: except when there isn't enough testing, which underreported deaths with covid towards the beginning of the pandemic.

Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by rootusrootus on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:38AM (#28458682)
We count flu deaths as 'with flu' instead of 'from flu', so counting covid this way keeps it as close to apples-to-apples as possible.
Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by JoshTko on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @07:02PM (#28464138)
Citations are on wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_dat...

Does precision matter in this case?