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Re:El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first co... by Karrot_Kream on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:29PM (#28449518)
> I was a bit too direct

You're just moving the goal posts. Here was your original statement:

> Actually, they are not even using lighning wallets

Here is your updated statement:

> it's absurd to imagine that the population of a whole country will learn about lightning or bitcoin directly and create their own Lightning channels or bitcoin wallets (though doubtless some will)

You started with what sounded like fact, then revealed that the justification is just the invocation of a thought experiment. There's nothing but speculation here. You're right this may happen, but a hyperbolic angry comment isn't the way to add to the discussion. This is why HN cryptocurrency threads are garbage dumps.

Re:El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first co... by SantalBlush on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:32PM (#28451527)
The two parts you quoted aren't as different as you claim, and are still more correct than the one they're responding to:

>They are using lightning wallets.

If your real intent is to improve discussion, maybe you should address that instead of erroneously invoking the "move the goalposts" fallacy. Moreover, I think both comments had substance to them, especially when compared to, again, the original comment about the lightning network.

Re:El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first co... by Karrot_Kream on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @09:08PM (#28451770)
Do you know the ground truth about which apps, nodes, and Layer 2 protocols are being used by El Salvadorans right now? If not then all of these are just posts in a chain of speculation. I don't, and I'm not going to claim that I know what's happening. But invoking suspicion to make a strong claim isn't the way to have an effective or illuminating conversation.
Re:El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first co... by simiones on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:58AM (#28455055)
Yes, my original statement was too direct - I said "they are not using lightning wallets" in response to someone saying "they are using lightning wallets".

The non-hyperbolic statement would have been "they will (99.99% certainly) not be using even lightning wallets".

Still, while this is a forward-looking statement, it is more than idle speculation - the government is encouraging the population to install one specific app, even offering money to anyone that does. In contrast, running your own lightning channels is known to be very difficult to do, so it is a priori extremely unlikely for a large proportion of the population to run their own.

Re:El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first co... by m00dy on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @07:21AM (#28455513)
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