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Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by jandrese on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:14PM (#28449302)
The fact the Texas legislature came up with that completely ridiculous scheme is not that surprising. They just aren't that good at making laws and have elected a number of people who show no concern with the general welfare of their constituents.

That the Supreme Court basically rubber stamped it is absolutely insane. Even operating on the assumption that the conservative majority on the court wanted to overturn Roe without having big headlines saying "Roe Overturned" choosing this absolutely insane law to do it is not going to do them any favors in the long term. The chance of this backfiring is so high that it's hard to imagine anybody looking at it and saying it was a good idea. How can they not be feeling like Roger Taney after Dred Scott right now? This could be the beginning of the end for restrictive abortion laws nationwide, to so decisively win a battle that costs you the war.

Edit: Wow, this is getting downvoted fast. I'm leaving it up so history can be the judge. I'm feeling confident that effectively issuing a Letter of Marque to every single US citizen on their own constituents is will turn out badly. This law is only going to be abused, and severely, unless the sensible minds in the courts wake up and put it on hold.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:20PM (#28449388)
> the Supreme Court basically rubber stamped it

The Court rejected an emergency stay. It did not uphold the law. That will come after hearings next year.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by jandrese on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:33PM (#28449579)
The damage is already done. This galaxy brain legislation is being picked up by 6 other states[1] and growing. By the time the Supreme Court gets back to it there will be at least a dozen other implementations to consider as well. If they opt for a narrow ruling the whole case could drag out for a decade or more. Meanwhile legal bounty hunters get to make claims with little to no merit on the hopes of getting some $10,000 payouts and with little risk--the abortion providers pay the court costs win or lose.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/03/texas-abortion...

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @05:36PM (#28450269)
> the abortion providers pay the court costs win or lose

Wait, so if I had even a thin basis for a suspicion, I could file cases against the legislators who voted for the bull?

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by jandrese on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:03PM (#28450489)
If you lose you have to pay your own court costs, but the abortion provider pays their own costs regardless. If you win the abortion provider also pays your court costs.

From what I’ve read there is nothing preventing you from filing frivolous suits against the legislators. They have to defend themselves or face a summary judgement. The law as written is wide open for abuse. This could be amended with a provision that excludes legislators and rich politically connected people.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by jcranmer on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:10PM (#28451375)
Even better, you could do so in courts that are inconvenient for them (read: other end of the state), without any allegations that it's a proper venue for the case at all, and they couldn't move to place it in a more reasonable jurisdiction.

Granted, that provision is probably unconstitutional by itself, but it just goes to show you that the banning abortion part of the law is the least problematic part of the entire thing.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by babyblueblanket on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @05:01PM (#28449904)
Between the time the court rejected a stay and the hearings next year, a constitutional right will be denied to countless people.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday September 09, 2021 @02:02PM (#28472671)
>a constitutional right

Exactly, just because it isn't specified or enumerated as a right in the constitution, doesn't mean it's not a right... right?

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by watwut on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:27PM (#28449472)
Yeah, causing damage in between. But that is what selecting justices was all about anyway last years.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:22PM (#28449423)
Who will SCOTUS hand the bill to for the unplanned and unwanted children who are carried to term in the meantime by women who could not get access to healthcare until hearings are held [1]? Who should these women sue for damages due to defective statute and who have been harmed by the state of Texas?

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-6-week-abortion-ban-p... (However, preliminary estimates suggest that the law could prevent roughly 132 procedures per day, or 4,009 per month.)

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @10:14PM (#28452240)
> The fact the Texas legislature came up with that completely ridiculous scheme is not that surprising. They just aren't that good at making laws

They are very good at making laws to do what they want (in this case, leverage precdent to ensure that that wfeffoets to block the law before it went into effect did not succeed, maximizing the chilling effect on abortion provision).

> That the Supreme Court basically rubber stamped it is absolutely insane.

The Supreme Court did not rule on the legality of the law (either the abortion restriction or the enforcement mechanism), it only validated the Texas Legislature's attempt to avoid a pre-implementation block against the law. While this enables the chilling effect of the law, it does not validate the substance of the law.

> That the Supreme Court basically rubber stamped it is absolutely insane.

If you want an outcome-oriented reasoning explanation, I’d say the majority wanted to set back the availability of abortion without overturning row; indeed, while likely still upholding it once a case reaches it through the slow path it has required.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @05:51PM (#28450397)
This is not a "completely ridiculous scheme". This is a loophole in the constitution that Texas is employing.

IANAL, but this is how I understand it. The supreme court does not strike down laws in a preliminary injunction, it just prevents the attorney-general or other applicable officials from enforcing it. This law is written so that the attorney general has no part in enforcing the law, so the supreme court can't do a preliminary injunction. It can only strike down the law once somebody tries to use the law and it bubbles its way up the court system.

But of course if everybody is too afraid to break the law, the law has effect without ever being applied.

The best suggestion I heard on how to get rid of it would be to have Massachusetts ban handguns using the same loophole. Somehow I think that this stacked court will come to its senses when it is the 2nd amendment being threatened rather than the 14th.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by benmmurphy on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:01PM (#28451320)
texas probably got the idea from civil liability laws that were used being used against gun manufacturers prior to the federal immunity law. gun control organisations were using the court system to bankrupt manufacturers as a backdoor to banning guns.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by rsynnott on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @07:34AM (#28455607)
I don't think that's a similar situation, really; those allowed injured parties to sue the manufacturers who made the dangerous device. In the US gun manufacturers are generally special-cased here; they have unusual protections that you wouldn't have if you, say, manufactured a defective water heater.

In this case totally _unrelated_ parties can sue, which seems entirely different.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by kodah on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:32PM (#28449575)
You're probably getting downvoted for this attitude:

> The fact the Texas legislature came up with that completely ridiculous scheme is not that surprising.

People on this site tend to downvote if you talk based on perceived state attitudes. The same thing happens if you make blanket statements about California, it's citizens, or electorate.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by hnaccy on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:36PM (#28449624)
It's not a blanket statement about a state but the legislature which is much smaller group of people.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by kodah on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:42PM (#28449681)
Unfortunately it's a small jump to thinking, "somebody elected these people" and then projecting those sentiments widely. Anyway, that's what I've learned about talking about Texas and California broadly. I've lived in both states and have both negative and positive things to say about each, but when I criticize them I've figured out I have to be very concise about describing with who and what I find wrong in order to have my opinion heard and respected.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by crazy_horse on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:40PM (#28449656)
No downvote here but it's that. We're used to people talking about a place that doesn't exist usually so we're touchy about it.

But the law is crazy, unconstitutional and would start a tit-for-tat form of legislating that would completely delegitimize whatever legitimacy the government has left.

Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job. Not sure Cali's professionalization of politics is better, but something has to give.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by tablespoon on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:38PM (#28450757)
> Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job.

IIRC, biennial sessions used to be extremely common.

Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by jandrese on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:40PM (#28451581)
Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands.
Re:Even Epik says the Texas abortion “whistleblower” site vi... by tablespoon on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:06AM (#28452906)
> Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands.

Why would you think that? It's not true.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-experience...

> One reason for the change was the resurgence of state legislative power in the middle of the 20th century. Legislatures’ growing role in state government can be measured by the shift from biennial to annual legislative sessions. In 1940 only four state legislatures held annual sessions—and Alabama's legislature met only once every four years. In 2011, only four states still have biennial sessions—Montana, Nevada, North Dakota and Texas. Two changes came recently: Arkansas with its first annual session in 2009, and Oregon with its first in 2011.

In 1940, 34 states had populations of 1 million+ and only one state had a population of less than 100k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...