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Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:19AM (#28415863)
HN folks here are proposing that countless young kids could universally mimic a specific symptom set so precisely, that it concerns actual experts.

I've been to endless elementary school plays; I've seen that kids really don't have the refined performance skill to pull this off. One might but not scores.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by larsiusprime on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:32AM (#28415965)
From the paper:

> Although some patients indeed suffered in addition from mild Tourette syndrome, for all newly emerged symptoms, it could be clearly ruled out that they were tics for several reasons: (i) onset was abrupt instead of slow, (ii) symptoms constantly deteriorated instead of typical waxing and waning of tics, (iii) “simple” movements (e.g. eye blinking) and noises (e.g. clearing one’s throat) were clearly in the background or completely absent, although being the most common and typical symptoms in Tourette syndrome, (iv) movements were mainly complex and stereotyped and predominantly located at arms and body, instead of at eyes and face, (v) overall, the number of different movements, noises, and words was “countless” and far beyond the typical number of tics in Tourette syndrome, and (vi) premonitory feelings were reported with atypical location, quality, and duration compared to tics in Tourette syndrome. Thus, worsening of pre-existing Tourette syndrome, for example due to COVID-19 pandemic as suggested elsewhere 4,5, can be clearly ruled out in our patients.

I've been diagnosed with Tourette's for 23 years and the above is not what I would describe as "universally mimicking a specific symptom set precisely"

That doesn't mean this kids aren't dealing with something real, but it means it's unlikely to be Tourette's. The lack of low-level background tics (blinks, throat clearing, facial grimaces) is a huge tell.

The worst case scenario here is they get misdiagnosed with Tourette's and start treatment that a) won't help them and b) will give them terrible side effects. I've been through the roulette wheel of powerful brain meds, you do not want to go down that road if you don't have to.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by slim on Sunday September 05, 2021 @02:40AM (#28422068)
I heard it could be treated with marijuana. Is this true ?
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by strogonoff on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:57PM (#28416744)
Humans are constantly unconsciously mimicking patterns of behavior off each other. This happens even with adults, but more so at early ages (presumably because there are fewer established patterns).

It doesn’t apply to long explicit patterns like a school play, but happens with pieces of behavior that are much shorter in a context-specific way: unless you observe a suitable situation, you wouldn’t know A unconsciously mimics B in behavior X. Additionally, the role of B in A’s life can make behavior mimicry strongly intrinsically motivated, which is a rare chance with a school play.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday September 04, 2021 @01:23PM (#28417001)
The notion that little kids can mimic this symptom set with coordinated precision and not look like a bunch of little kids poorly trying to do the same - this seems unrealistic.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by strogonoff on Saturday September 04, 2021 @01:27PM (#28417047)
Try paying attention to how a teenage person unconsciously mimics small components of the behavior of a parent or a person they (again, possibly unconsciously) consider of importance. Things like a bad habit, such as smoking (including the finer mechanical details of the process); accent/[mis]pronunciations; usage of idiomatic words or phrases; motions when driving a car; etc. tend to look/sound extremely natural.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by imwillofficial on Sunday September 05, 2021 @12:40AM (#28421684)
The phenomenon known as mirroring is far more subtle than this.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by viraptor on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:41PM (#28419551)
> One might but not scores.

Keep in mind the scale of TikTok. What is the sample size where one might? One out of a school? There's still millions of them available.

I'm not saying this is true or not, but being worldwide accessible changes perspective a bit.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by umvi on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:36PM (#28420408)
I have an uncle with a tic. When I'm around him a lot sometimes I find myself subconsciously mimicking it. Same with my wife's mannerisms.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by throwaway556677 on Sunday September 05, 2021 @05:55AM (#28422892)
I rarely catch myself mirroring the speech impediment of the person I'm talking to. I even managed to get into trouble by offending a colleague. I didn't mean to!
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by a9h74j on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:36PM (#28420989)
Mirror brain cells? Modeling other minds? as factors?
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by kongin on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:00PM (#28420813)
>I've been to endless elementary school plays; I've seen that kids really don't have the refined performance skill to pull this off. One might but not scores.

In middle school I used to look at what drugs were prescribed for what mental illness, then read the DSM–4 for the symptoms, book an appointment for a specialist so I could get those drugs.

Faking mental illness is extremely easy and extremely enjoyable.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by Thorrez on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:17PM (#28421158)
There's a middle ground, which the article suggests. They might have an actual disorder, functional movement disorder, or FMD, which isn't Tourette's.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by batch12 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:31AM (#28415952)
The article suggests that the cause is psychological. It isn't suggesting that this is a performance, but something involuntary and not Tourette's.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday September 04, 2021 @01:19PM (#28416958)
I was referring to HN'rs reaction to the article, not the article itself.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by cryptonector on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:41PM (#28420439)
Plays are scripted.