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Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by jjoonathan on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:00PM (#28385468)
I personally hate the idea of holding back rural connectivity, mapping, and the general advancement of space-based science and industry in order to preserve the sacrosanct emptiness of certain orbits. Why should your desire for empty orbits outweigh other peoples' desire to put those orbits to productive use?
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by bperson on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:38PM (#28385808)
Their nimbyism is silly. Nothing is going to hold back this next period. The entire planet will be connected soon and that's when the internet moves out of alpha and into beta. Complaining about a few thousand satellites will seem quant in ten years :P
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by olivierduval on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:55PM (#28386005)
"The entire planet will be connected soon"... but WHY ???? To allow Facebook (and SV) dream of selling ads all around the world ???

Does the world need it ? Does the world even ask for it ?

Sure, I like internet... but only WHERE and WHEN I want to, not anytime and everywhere !

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by manquer on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @06:57PM (#28386568)
There are hundreds of real world applications that benefit from connectivity.

For example Self driving would really benefit from connectivity for deeper learning models to get to level 5.

Telemedicine , remote learning all have huge potential with connectivity all around the world. Education in developing countries which suffer from lack of infrastructure can (and already does) benefit from tech driven learning

It is easy to say you don't want connectivity everywhere when you don't experience that lack of connectivity a lot of the people do.

It is hard to imagine the kind of applications that will come just like it was hard to imagine what came with web 2.0 /1.0 before .

Also a lot of pressure on urban migration would really reduce with global connectivity. I already know many people moving or considering to move to a rural location with better quality of life only because of starlink.

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by olivierduval on Thursday September 02, 2021 @03:26AM (#28389512)
Good point! And it make me think... Why do WE (western people or US peaople) want global connectivity ? To bring some "civilization" all around the country (humanist reason) ?

In that case, how will people in "poor" countries will be able to use it ? Self driving cars ??? Even for the few that can afford it (in the next 10 years), you'll obviously will need a decent road infrastructure... Telemedecine ? Super !!! But is there enough doctor and basic med supply (and cheap enough) ?

So, I guess that the real use will be for internet... In the best case for news and education. But in that case, will it be "cheap enough" for the people in these countries to afford it ? Or will it financially available only to tourists and remote worker ?

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by manquer on Thursday September 02, 2021 @05:08AM (#28389987)
Telemedicine works in developing countries because it is easier for a specialist to consult remotely when there are so few of them and being in all locations is not feasible.

For primary care, it helps in preventive care more than cure. Earlier detection of issues can make handling them a lot easier.

You need telemedicine precisely because there are few doctors to go around, and care can be expensive.

There are already few well funded startups offering this along with medicine delivery in India for example, who are doing well. 4G and mobile penetration makes it possible, it doesn't cover everyone but it makes a difference to a large chunk of the population.

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by panick21 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @07:08PM (#28386684)
> Does the world need it ? Does the world even ask for it ?

Yes

> Sure, I like internet... but only WHERE and WHEN I want to, not anytime and everywhere !

Turn of your phone.

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by olivierduval on Thursday September 02, 2021 @03:27AM (#28389524)
Sorry, I meant: is it their top priority ?
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by panick21 on Thursday September 02, 2021 @10:27PM (#28399780)
Top priority compared to water, no of course not.

But if we have a commercially viable solution that solve a number of problems, why not do it?

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by DangitBobby on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @07:58PM (#28387066)
A significant portion of the planet's popularion still doesn't have access to reliable high-speed internet in their homes, let alone where they want to.
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by tayo42 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:49PM (#28385937)
I'm kind of curious where you live and how much time you spend outdoors? Or just people with similar opinions in general.
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by olivierduval on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:51PM (#28385958)
Your desire - sure! - but ONLY at YOUR home ! And space is not yours...

It looks like noboby learned from air or sea pollution, where SOME people pollute for their own benefit a ressource that they don't own... and then let the others pay to clean it

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by joshuamorton on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:09PM (#28385543)
For the same reason that we generally believe that my right to clean drinking water outweighs your right to dump toxic waste in a river, even if it is useful to you.

Some doors are very difficult to un-open, and caution is warranted when making sweeping changes to space that may do any number of negative things, including make future spaceflights more difficult, make ground-based space research impossible (increasing the price of future space research and making satellites the only way to do get good data), etc.

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by idiotsecant on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:14PM (#28385584)
Demanding clean orbits at deployments with built-in short term decay trajectories is a funny hill to die on though.
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by panick21 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @07:14PM (#28386729)
What you demand is not clean drinking water, rather that nobody is allowed to use the river at all because you like to see the water flow.

You are basically saying 'nobody is allowed to put a boat on this river because I like nature'.

> caution is warranted when making sweeping changes to space that may do any number of negative things, including make future spaceflights more difficult, make ground-based space research impossible

And that why FCC exists and they have mostly agree that this is not actually a problem.

Nobody has a larger intensive not to make future spaceflight harder then SpaceX.

And the idea that all ground-based space research is impossible is equally nonsense that has often been disproven.

Even in your dystopian nightmare, the reality is that within a few years the orbits SpaceX used would be clean again or that based on government order SpaceX could de-orbit 99.9% of all sats in a week.

So how about we allow boats onto the river and figure out if its really the end of civilization to do so.

Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by bperson on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:47PM (#28385901)
How many years until a solo hobbyist launches a rocket that crosses the Karman line? I bet as soon as three years and not longer than five years. Ground-based research isn't your only tool in the near future.
Re:Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:12PM (#28385570)
This door is trivial to un-open. If we decide the Starlink constellation is a net negative for humanity, we just need to refrain from launching any more of them. The existing ones will deorbit themselves within a few years at most.