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Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by 01100011 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @02:02PM (#28383457)
> I suspect you would have been a lot more furious at the Fed in the event they had sat back during COVID and presided over a deflationary spiral triggered by the lockdowns.

No, what I'm saying is the government failed to act sufficiently and forced the fed to act when they shouldn't have(or at least to the level they have).

> Generally speaking, you shouldn't hold cash.

Now come on that's not really true in the short term. Generally speaking, you shouldn't put your money in the market if you need it in the next 5 years. Sure I could have bought CDs but have you looked at rates lately? That wouldn't have helped. My only option would have been to pile into an asset, and by the time I needed to park my money assets had already appreciated above historical norms. I'd be gambling against a reversion to the mean.

> Housing affordability hasn't really changed on a monthly basis

The market I am familiar with and was planning on going back into is up about 35% from late 2019. You're also then gambling that these historically high valuations will hold going forward. Homebuyer sentiment has plummeted because folks like me no longer think paying these high prices(https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA) makes sense.

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by godot on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @02:34PM (#28383870)
> Generally speaking, you shouldn't put your money in the market if you need it in the next 5 years.

Did you really mean 5 years, or 5 months, or something else? I'm not sure if I can take this statement seriously, or if it's meant to be a joke. 5 years is a long time.

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by niij on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @02:55PM (#28384118)
Asset prices don't always go up. The downturns have lasted much longer than 5 years. So if you want relative certainty you'll have $X at a certain date then you need to be in cash years beforehand. Otherwise you're gambling or have a backup source of cash.
Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by 01100011 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @02:55PM (#28384117)
Yes, 5 years. http://nerdwallet.com/article/investing/where-to-put-short-t...

If you're young and you've only seen the market go up you need to familiarize yourself with normal volatility patterns. The market can easily take a dump at any time and fail to provide a positive return for years.

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by ant6n on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @04:19PM (#28385068)
> The market can easily take a dump at any time and fail to provide a positive return for years.

...or decades: "Nikkei index hits 30,000 for first time in three decades"

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Nikkei-index-hits-3...

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by icedchai on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:22PM (#28393985)
Do you remember the lost decade? 2000-2009-ish... the markets went no where for almost 10 years.
Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by eru on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @09:24PM (#28387668)
> No, what I'm saying is the government failed to act sufficiently and forced the fed to act when they shouldn't have(or at least to the level they have).

What should the government have done?

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by 01100011 on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:25PM (#28394024)
Fiscal stimulus. More jobs programs. More infrastructure. Put people in affected industries to work doing something productive.
Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by quickthrowman on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @06:40PM (#28386415)
> Generally speaking, you shouldn't put your money in the market if you need it in the next 5 years.

According to whom? Right now, nothing pays out any yield, it’s stocks or lose to inflation.

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by arcticbull on Thursday September 02, 2021 @01:37AM (#28388999)
BDCs are paying ~10%. It’s not without risk, of course, they saw large drawdowns in 2020 but have recovered alongside the rest of the economy. I personally generate income borrowing on margin to purchase the Goldman Sachs BDC (GSBD) and using a risk reversal (selling a call, using the premium to buy a put) to hedge against a large draw down. NFA.

I’ve followed ARCC, MAIN and GSBD for years, and there’s the more diversified Van Eck Vectors BDC ETF (BIZD), with an 8.5% yield. But I digress.

Re:Dutch entrepreneurs avoiding negative interest by opening... by eru on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @09:24PM (#28387673)
You can try real estate as well. Or junk bonds.