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Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by dang on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @08:41PM (#28375337)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar like this. It's not what the site is for.

The GP comment wasn't substantive either but the idea, when replying, is to move further away from hell, not jump into it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by xenophonf on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @09:46AM (#28379726)
I stand by my comments. I am all for a call to action in the face of illiberal governance, but my correspondent made an unsubtle appeal to political violence. That is wrong.
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by dang on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @03:35PM (#28384591)
Sorry, but grandiose political rhetoric, including "I stand by my comments", is a bad fit for the trivial medium of an internet forum.

As for 'unsubtle appeal to political violence', please abide by this site guideline: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." It's not at all obvious that you read the comment correctly, and 'unsubtle' is a big overstatement.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by TrevorJ on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:19PM (#28373813)
> So get up on your soap box, and get people to the ballot box.

I think it's important to understand the context of a statement like this as it pertains to the United States at least. At some point in the last 6 years, the average person on both sides of the aisle has felt as if they have some reason to be quite skeptical of the security of our electoral system. It has been one of the defining issues of two consecutive election cycles. Setting aside the question of whether or not that skepticism is warranted, the rather worrying fact remains: as a whole, our belief in the mechanism of voting is probably approaching an all time low. This is quite concerning.

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by 8372049 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:13PM (#28373737)
This is true. Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook discusses this further and talks about how seizing power in most modern, western democracies is very hard.