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Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by UI_at_80x24 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:22PM (#28373110)
New Zealand's (as you describe it) "extreme lockdown" has worked. When dealing with a pandemic you are supposed to limit potential exposure, and their actions did that.

As a result NZ has had one of the lowest infection rates in the world. Also, those actions let them "return to normal" quicker then anywhere else.

It worked.

Perhaps you feel that the mid-evil practice of nailing the doors and windows shut and posting a guard outside of a quarantine house, would be more reasonable? Pray that the village stays safe while the sick were imprisoned?

People were inconvenienced. Nothing more.

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by j8hn on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:36PM (#28373291)
The child poverty rate increased by 10%. I would say that an increase of children living in inhumane conditions is more than an inconvenience.
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by catsncomputers on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:42PM (#28373371)
I can't seem to find anything to verify your 10% claim - all I can find is stats showing that child poverty actually went down.. Are you able to post a source for that?

EDIT: since my account has been rate-limited... The msn article below was released before the stats and is purely speculation. The stats before covid already indicate an increase, and NZ has long had fluctuating child poverty rates, which the current government is attempting to address. However it is essential to realise that this increase is largely driven by the effects of the previous government, and the housing and rental market - not the effects of Covid-19. https://www.cpag.org.nz/the-latest/current-statistics/latest...

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by j8hn on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:47PM (#28373442)
I've seen it mentioned in the past. Here is an article I was able to dig up.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/number-of-children-i...

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by j8hn on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:35PM (#28374000)
Here is the report from July 26, 2021.

https://www.cpag.org.nz/news/?m=202107

"An additional 18,000 children were probably pushed into poverty in the 12 months to March 2021, even without taking rising housing costs into account, according to new modelling in the report, entitled The first year of Covid-19: Initial outcomes of our collective care for low-income children in Aotearoa New Zealand"

"This increase in child poverty of around 10% comes at a time when property owners have seen their wealth rise at an accelerated rate," said McAllister. "Loss of income related to job loss was probably inevitable for many families; but loss of income to the point of inadequacy - or further inadequacy - was due to political decision-making.

"The Government avoided one massive health and economic crisis but it enabled another one - that of poverty, homelessness and inequality - to grow rapidly."

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:47PM (#28373439)
If it's true that Covid is not going away, but will be endemic, it'll sweep through New Zealand one way or another.
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by gballan on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:14PM (#28373744)
Indeed, but timing is key: whether the sweep is before or after the population is substantially vaccinated.
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by simplify on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:50PM (#28373470)
Can you explain how people were only "inconvenienced"? Is everyone in New Zealand a white collar worker? I don't know anything about it, I take it you live there?
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by verve_rat on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:18PM (#28373806)
They are not dead.

Sure, for people that can't work from home it has been harder. But Government support has been set at a level well above the unemployment benefit. That is paid to employers to pass on to staff so the employment relationship is continued with strong encouragement to pay at least 80% of the employees normally wages. While it has been hard for some it hasn't been impossible. There have been no reports of abnormal bankruptcy levels (business or personal) or mortgagee sales.

Some people have used the fact that the support is higher than the unemployment benefit as evidence that benefits are set too low.

In fact, some lower paid workers look forward to a lockdown as a 'covid holiday'. That has pissed a few people off.

But all of that is way, way better than asking why are thousands of Kiwis dead? Did my [Nan|Mum|Brother|best friend|insert other person you care about] really need to die, 'for the economy'?

Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by rangitatanz on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:30PM (#28373938)
Most of the people upset about the lockdowns seem to be people living outside of New Zealand. Quick search shows that currently 85% of New Zealanders agree with the current lockdown approach. We've seen what it did to Australia by not properly locking down. People are paid a covid support wage subsidy through their business to ensure that they stay being paid.
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Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by swader999 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:59PM (#28373591)
Covid is somewhat better than driving in terms of risk to our younger generations and roughly on par with risk to our older and yet we go full stop for it.
Re:Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in ... by rangitatanz on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:06PM (#28385518)
"better" in that it's less risky to have covid than to drive? Might need a reference on that claim. My quick googling only thing I found a comparison to doing bomber runs over nazi Germany during ww2 for older generations.