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Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by nanis on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:37PM (#28361157)
> The scientists found that civilian complaints of major crimes dropped by about 3% to 6% during the slowdown.

1. Why call the cops if you know they won't do anything?

2. Relatedly, why "snitch" when you know there won't be any cops around?

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by bkirwi on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:00PM (#28361402)
FWIW, this is addressed in the article and the paper it covers: the slowdown involved reduced "proactive policing" -- "systematic and aggressive enforcement of low-level violations" -- but the observed drop is in major crimes like burglary and assault. The authors also do some work to control for the overall crime reporting rate.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by falcrist on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:23PM (#28361617)
I'm a bit confused... Everyone is assuming that the police wouldn't respond to calls during this period, but the article doesn't suggest that this was the case.

Even looking through articles in 2014 and 2015 doesn't provide me with any evidence that police weren't showing up to crime scenes... just that they weren't doing the "proactive policing" thing.

Am I missing something here?

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by nanis on Monday August 30, 2021 @07:46PM (#28362321)
Showing up after the crime has been committed is not the same as being around to deter crime.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by falcrist on Monday August 30, 2021 @08:11PM (#28362504)
I'm specifically talking about showing up when crimes were reported, not whether they were deterring crimes.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by tus89 on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:58PM (#28361384)
what does the word proactive mean to you?
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by Aeolun on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:16PM (#28361543)
You arrest people before they can commit the offence.

I think there was a documentary about this a few years ago called Minority Report.

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by kevingadd on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:38PM (#28361172)
I think you'll find many residents of many cities will call the cops even though they know the cops usually won't do anything.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by CobrastanJorji on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:50PM (#28361306)
Well, sure, because the insurance company's first question will be "is there a police report."
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by whatgoodisaroad on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:54PM (#28361348)
A police report != a 911 call from a legal standpoint (to my non lawyer knowledge).
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by nanis on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:59PM (#28361393)
I don't know anything about NYC, but, normally, a police report actually involves the police writing down some names. So, one lives in a high crime area and one notices that the police are no longer around, one has strong incentives not to go on the record about this or that crime.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by vanattab on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:59PM (#28361392)
But it is the first step if you need a report written.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:02PM (#28361427)
You can walk to a station and do it in person. That won't be logged in the 911 database.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by colechristensen on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:09PM (#28361483)
It really isn’t. Where I am it is a form on a website.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by treeman79 on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:47PM (#28361273)
Ages ago when I was a kid, our house was constantly being robbed. No city police in a town of 50,000

County police who took an hour or more to show up finally told my dad to get a gun and explained how we should move the body to make it look like we were being attacked. So that we didn’t get arrested.

So yea we moved promptly.

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by WesolyKubeczek on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:52PM (#28361321)
And now I want a Youtube tutorial...
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by vimy on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:55PM (#28361357)
Why was there no police?
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by actually_a_dog on Monday August 30, 2021 @07:04PM (#28361979)
Plenty of rural areas will only be serviced by a county sheriff, and there may not be that many officers. I grew up in a place like that. You could drive around forever where I grew up and never see a cop.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by treeman79 on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:57PM (#28361933)
A few years some parents left their kid home alone while on vacation.

Neighbors knew family had gone vacation and saw movement at night. Jumpy cop, dark house, sudden movement, dead kid...

Family got big payout, City dismantled the police department.

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by teawrecks on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:54PM (#28361346)
I think their point is that it could explain the 3-6% drop. But yes, the other 94-97% of people still call.
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by 5faulker on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:08PM (#28361471)
The apathy is real
Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by temp8964 on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:39PM (#28361178)
The title suggests a causation on this 4.5% change?

Paywalled, I didn’t read the article.

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by nanis on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:44PM (#28361234)
> “While we cannot entirely rule out the effects of under-reporting,” the authors wrote, “our results show that crime complaints decreased, rather than increased, during a slowdown in proactive policing, contrary to deterrence theory.”

Original research is here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5

Both authors are political scientists who are highly unlikely to have a command of econometrics. I am not sure if they took into account the panel nature of the data and in those circumstances where authors focus solely on either the cross-section or the time-series nature of the process, it is not uncommon for "results" to be nonsense.

Re:NYC major crime complaints fell when cops took a break fr... by kevingadd on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:43PM (#28361229)
The article does say the study attempted to control for those variables, yeah.