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Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by swayvil on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:45PM (#28342207)
For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts.

Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too.

AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE

Consider the way that downvotes progressively remove a post from view.

It's a way of crowdsourcing the task of censorship.

Many hands make light work.

And the blame is neatly spread around.

And the actual shape of the censorship, the form being conformed to, is only indirectly controlled by the admins. Thus more blame neatly escaped.

It's goddamn elegant is what it is!

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by seattle_spring on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:13PM (#28342395)
Moderation is not the same as censorship.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by rnd0 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:28PM (#28342500)
Only if you're going to take an absolutist stance that "censorship only applies to governments".

But that's not the only definition. wikipedia defines censorship thus:

"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions, and other controlling bodies. " (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship)

You can argue whether or not moderation is necessary or not but it most definately is censorship.

The way it is being applied by FB is most certainly censorship and highly inappropriate and destructive.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by seattle_spring on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:57PM (#28342672)
Do you think HN would be a better place if it didn't have moderation (or, as you put it, "censorship")?
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by rnd0 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @08:02PM (#28342698)
That's beside the point I was making, as I said;

>You can argue whether or not moderation is necessary or not but it most definitely is censorship.

Moderation is censorship, and censorship is evil. It may be a necessary evil (because liability if nothing else) but it needs to be seen and treated as evil. Meaning to be used as sparingly as possible.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by michaelmrose on Sunday August 29, 2021 @12:16AM (#28344067)
Censorship is contextually a good not an evil. No matter how divergent our positions there is almost certainly content that both us if asked to rate it would rate negatively. That is to say that the net value of the forum increases as we delete more of it.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by seattle_spring on Saturday August 28, 2021 @08:42PM (#28342949)
What's your definition of evil?
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by rnd0 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:31PM (#28343245)
That's an almost impossibly broad question to answer.

In the context of this conversation? Moderation is evil because it is destructive, repressive, exploitable for the cause of tyranny (eg silencing dissent) and is the opposite of that which is good (freedom of expression, freedom of thought, free flow of information).

Like any other violence, there are times when it's warrented but it's always a balance. The greater good is to keep the forum open, so it's necessary to remove illegal materials. And that's an easy call when what is illegal is child pornography; but what about when what is illegal is a political message or even just a series of seemingly random numbers?

Sometimes it's the lesser evil (child porn is always the greater evil) and sometimes moderation is the greater evil (repressing political messages or being used in the service of propping up totalitarian regimes).

I apologize if this doesn't make things clearer for you. As I said at the beginning; the nature of evil is a broad question that has been wrestled by philosophers for millennia.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by amanaplanacanal on Sunday August 29, 2021 @10:14AM (#28346858)
Some would say that what is true is good, and what is false is evil, when it comes to communicating or sharing knowledge. In that case Facebook is doing the right thing.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by eurasiantiger on Sunday August 29, 2021 @02:25AM (#28344652)
Evil is a fundamental attribution error.

Sure, people do bad things, but it’s not ”evil people” who do bad things — it’s just people, the same people who have the capacity to do good things also do bad things.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by krastanov on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:02PM (#28342319)
How is this different from booing you for saying something stupid/wrong (or otherwise disliked even when smart/true) in a public venue. If anything, downvoting seems more honest and less "censorish" than booing, because you still get a chance to respond.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by acituan on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:53PM (#28342652)
Downvotes scale much better, both temporally and spatially. Boos take more energy, presence and surprisingly even investment.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by swayvil on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:07PM (#28342352)
Well for one, you get to see who's booing you.