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Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by thaumasiotes on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:52AM (#28327806)
> I can guarantee you that a lot of the new grads in China had had exactly the education the OP described and were completely unable to do anything. It's not just venting, it's the reality.

Isn't it the foundational concept of fizzbuzz that a lot of applicants to programming jobs are "completely unable to do anything"?

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by simonh on Friday August 27, 2021 @10:46AM (#28328499)
We're not talking about graduates not able to solve theoretical exercises. These graduates might well be able to solve an on-paper algorithms exercise like that, after all their teaching and assessment was all theoretical.

The problem is they don't know how to actually compile and run a "Hello World" program, or write and run any kind of program on a physical computer, because they never had to do it as part of their computer science education.

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by edgyquant on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:01PM (#28329473)
I've never really done traditional interviews, but is this true? I've been able to do a fizzbuzz since I was like 14 years old :/
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by thaumasiotes on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:55PM (#28330164)
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by burnished on Friday August 27, 2021 @10:19AM (#28328103)
FizzBuzz isn't a programming challenge for interviews anymore, that was like ten years ago. Now its more like a data structures and algorithms exam.
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by dbt00 on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:44PM (#28329995)
FizzBuzz was never a programming challenge, it was just a very quick filter before getting to real challenges.

Real tech interviews have always been about understanding and applying data structures and algorithms, with some emphasis on problem solving with those tools.

A really long time ago, there used to be questions that were more like "do you know some very common C/hacker idioms", like write a one line strlen or reverse a linked list in place. I used to get asked stuff like that in the late 90s.

(There were also the brainteaser style things, like how many golf balls fit in a 747, but those were often for non-programming roles where people were looking for your ability to problem solve in a vacuum with little information. Those were rarely aimed at engineers, but at engineer adjacent non-technical roles.)

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by thaumasiotes on Friday August 27, 2021 @10:28AM (#28328233)
Did the observation that "hey, a lot of our applicants can't even do anything" become less true?
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by burnished on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:29PM (#28329776)
Hell if I know, if I'm going to be frank I responded more from stress and wishing FizzBuzz was still a common test than anything.
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by Apocryphon on Friday August 27, 2021 @02:50PM (#28331596)
If it's still true, then why do the tests get harder and harder?