Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by glitchc on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:02PM
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If I'm putting 90% of the value, why don't I just add another 10% and buy the property outright? Are there restrictions on who can buy a house/apartment in Korea?
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Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by pie_flavor on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:14PM
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You perhaps missed that you get the whole deposit back. The landlord doesn't keep it. You could buy the property outright, or you could live somewhere for essentially free, as long as you don't value the interest on that cash more than you value the place you're staying.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by jliptzin on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:34PM
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Giving that much money to a landlord is absolutely terrifying to me given the history of landlords I’ve had. I’d much rather own the property and deal with any transaction costs associated with selling.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by vmception on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:41PM
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Basically, nobody wants to admit that their own country's long established and respected systems are ponzi schemes.
Many South Korean landlords are underwater on a bad investment and use the next renter's deposit to pay out the last. Citation not possible.
The point of the system was to spur investment in the south korean economy.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by revel on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:09PM
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next question: how would one go about betting on Korean residential mortgage credit spreads as an American retail investor?
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by vmception on Thursday August 26, 2021 @09:22PM
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Thats not the good bet - based solely on this information - the landlords would be fine on their own property, they would have lost a portion or all of a prior renters deposit in some other speculate bet instead of just letting it sit in a bank account, new renters deposits are paying for the ability of the landlord to pay the prior renters
Of course that prior speculative bet could be in mortgage(s). You would need to look at other weakness in that economy to rationalize whatever bet you want.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by flemhans on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:28PM
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Still, why not pay 10% more and own the building? You could still get the money back (and hopefully more) when you sell it again.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by bigthymer on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:41PM
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I'd imagine transaction costs on real estate are high...maybe even approaching 10%.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by phonebanshee on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:54PM
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Or potentially a lot less. The idea that real estate always goes up doesn't match reality.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by lolsal on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:00PM
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Transaction costs, taxes, maintenance, interest opportunity cost, etc. all of the same reasons that it might be cheaper to rent in the USA than buy.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by tannhauser23 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:56PM
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Owner might not want to sell?
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by glitchc on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:28PM
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Didn’t miss it, just also noted that if the landlord loses the money or goes bankrupt or just skips town, in a foreign country without strong connections and shaky command of the language, you are likely screwed.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by throwawayswede on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:23PM
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That sounds strange, what's in it for the landlord?
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by Leftium on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:27PM
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See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28319313
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by jayadeeptp on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:26PM
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Opportunity cost. Landlord can use the money to invest elsewhere and make more than the minimum 12% APY.
It is like 0% interest loan for the length of the tenant stay.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by danr4 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:26PM
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0 interest loan I guess
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by beervirus on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:36PM
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Interest income on the deposit.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by spoonjim on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:00PM
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No credit risk from the tenant.
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by peakaboo on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:25PM
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Sounds like a too good to be true situation...
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by willcipriano on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:20PM
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Who is responsible for repairs?
Re:Ask HN: Where can I live off 1k USD per month?
by Leftium on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:31PM
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Not quite sure what the exact laws are, but generally the landlord fixes stuff. They will even replace lightbulbs, within reason. If there is a small thing I can fix on my own, I'll just do it myself.
Usually there is a monthly management fee that ranges from $50 to $100+ dollars that covers cleaning of common areas, repairs, etc.