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Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by CyanBird on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:28PM (#28306486)
Very, very sad, my growing up my grand grand father's house had many swords made in Toledo and wooden decorative shields with the family insignia on them, they were just decorative, he got them from a trip to Spain, the swords had very thin tangs, but of course me being a kid dreamed of using them for my sword play

Very sad to see as the article says, a several thousand year old tradition such as this one being so, so close to ending, I feel that the Spanish government ought to step up and find with arrangement for these artisans to ensure that the city doesn't lose such strong cultural heritage

Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:39PM (#28306632)
Don't worry. Once swords would once again become useful on the battlefield and in dark alleys, this skill will resurface and thrive again.

Chances for it are not small enough.

Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by hourislate on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:57PM (#28308265)
I had a Japanese friend who says he had a real Samurai Outfit and sword. It was giving to him by his Grandmother who had inherited it from her family. When Lord of the Rings came out, a different fellow I worked with bought a replica of Anduril Sword from LOTR's. There was a discussion at work about how good the Anduril sword was which led to a challenge. I was to wear the Samurai Outfit since it was my size and use the Samurai sword and he was to fashion some armor and use the Anduril sword. He backed out after his wife threatened him and me.
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by trhway on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:50PM (#28310056)
there is a very good chance that the replica sword is made from a relatively cheap stainless steel with uniform hardness through the blade. While the excerpt below is about cheap replica katanas it can apply to any such replica blade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing

"Most cheap reproductions are made from inexpensive stainless steels such as 440A (often just termed "440").[45] With a normal Rockwell hardness of 56 and up to 60, stainless steel is much harder than the back of a differentially hardened katana (HR50), and is therefore much more prone to breaking, especially when used to make long blades. Stainless steel is also much softer at the edge (a traditional katana is usually more than HR60 at the edge)."

So, i'd not risk using such replica sword against a real world sword :) On the other side one can imagine how a modern sword can be made - say carbon fiber core inside titanium monocrystal envelope with fused, like laser sintered, ceramic/nano-diamond skin and edge. And resorting to cold weapons may be a reasonable alternative to guns in the future conflicts inside space stations and planetary bases.

Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by hermitcrab on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:50AM (#28312276)
Wielding a sword in zero-G would be problematic. As you swing the sword, your body is going to torque in the opposite direction (conservation of angular momentum)!
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by trhway on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:55AM (#28312323)
>your body is going to torque in the opposite direction.

and it may make sense to have an additional blade attached to the other end of your body. The art of sword fighting in zero G or low G - imagine on Moon like those long high jumps from Crouching Dragon :) - would look different.

Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:02PM (#28308304)
Uh oh. You both are lucky that he had such a wife, because there was a big chance to leave you both injured, or worse. Even the best armor is not absolutely damage-proof. Also, such "test" is rather pointless if done not between trained swordmen.
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by BizarroLand on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:49PM (#28308716)
Yeah. If nothing else, imagine how it would feel to have damaged an heirloom samurai sword by hacking into a cheap movie prop sword and chips the metal.
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by mistrial9 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:19PM (#28308960)
I was told that with gemstones, a stone of lesser hardness can never scratch one of greater hardness, no matter what. I wonder how that relates to a cheap potmetal sword and a strong, hardened one...
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:26PM (#28309009)
That is basically the definition of hardness. It doesn't make gems indestructible; they can be worn down like anything else. We cut diamonds even though we don't have something harder to cut them with; it's just much harder than cutting softer stones with diamonds.

A cut gem's sharp corners will be worn down over time by the paper the gem is kept in. Paper's not that hard.

(And of course, even if scratching were completely impossible, gems are still easy to smash. There are all kinds of deformations that aren't scratching.)

Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by klyrs on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:27PM (#28309893)
I've had a very nice kitchen knife get stuck in an unexpected bone. The blade lost a big chip, because it twisted in my hand after sinking in a little. But no, the bone didn't scratch the blade.
Re:Toledo’s Last Swordmakers by BizarroLand on Thursday August 26, 2021 @02:37PM (#28318783)
You can easily smash a diamond with a hammer, even though the diamond is far harder than a hammer.

Aside from that, metals quite often gouge and chip one another, and 100+ year old swords are not automatically stronger or made of better materials than present day pot metal.

After a certain point, a sword is more valuable and useful as an art piece than as a weapon outside of emergencies.