I recommend you listen to the conversation or read the book. It covers the authors’ theory that there are 6 basic views of ownership and that Rocky 50% of people when presented with this scenario take a very strong position for their preferred view even though it’s not necessarily more or less right objectively. Fascinating to see this in real-time ;)

> How is this even a debate, if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism.

Exactly, there's really no question here. The feature is installed to be used.

> if you weren’t supposed to use it they wouldn’t pay extra to install seats with a reclining mechanism

Of course they would, if being able to say they have this option in their marketing materials increased sales enough to cover for the expense.

Be under no illusion that they care about your comfort, or even that there are seats and airplanes involved in their business. They're showing time and again that it's just an optimization problem for getting money out of people; that it happens to be air travel is incidental.

I'm so confused that you got downvoted.

It should be obvious that they paid the money because they profit from it. It should also be obvious that they would want that profit whether or not you're supposed to use it.

Just because something is legally available to you does not mean it is the right thing to do. A good example of this is one's right not to wear a mask; or ride your unmuffled motorcycle around the neighborhood at 2am. The list goes on...

Unmuffled motorcycles at night break at least half a dozen laws at every level from local to federal. Masks were also mandated in most of the US. Not the greatest examples.

Just because you are allowed to do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's your right to do if it infringes upon someone else's rights.

Have you ever flow coach class overseas, and you want to sit upright, but the person in front of you decides to recline fully? The in-flight entertainment screen on the seat is now only about 8 inches in front of your face. Hell, if you have food and drink on your tray table, some of that is being pushed toward you by the now-angled back of the seat. Fuck you if you do that and don't care about the person behind you.

You are aware that you can recline your seat back too and reclaim the exact same amount of space the front person "took" from you, right?

Look - the simple matter of it is that this person paid for a seat on a plane. It comes with a reclining function. Some opt to use it, some don't. Simple as that.

There is no need to get vulgar or mad at a basic function of a reclining seat - reclining.

Your car comes with a horn (a basic feature). You bet your ass I’m going to get vulgar and upset if you sit outside my house and blast it at 3am

Poor analogy. The horn is a safety feature, and of course basic, as it serves as a warning mechanism. In addition, if you live in a civilized area and not the wild west, you should be calling the authorities, not cause further troubles via getting "vulgar and upset".

The reclining seat on an airplane is designed to be reclined - it has 2 modes: upright and reclined, at the passenger's preference. Its usage is not a safety feature, it's an option built into it and the price you pay for the ticket.

If you are bothered by it, you can always recline your seat and reclaim your space. Literally.

That space behind me is not useful to me. My food is still crammed up in the < wedge of the now-greatly-slanted back seat and horizontal tray table. My in flight entertainment screen is now angled down, playing a movie for my belly rather than my eyes.

I cannot open a laptop, because that "relcaimed" space behind me is not the same type of space and is frankly useless to me.

Your argument is why humanity is becoming less civil and intelligent. People aren't thinking. One person shouts, so everyone around him shouts. Now everyone is shouting. The correct answer would have been for the loud moron to speak at a lower volume.

And finally, your argument fails because the last seat in the airplane usually cannot recline. So if you want to be fair, that precludes the person in front of him from reclining, and so on to the front of the plane.

The space behind you is exactly the amount of space taken away from you by the front reclining seat. You can easily reclaim your stolen space by reclining yourself.

Ergonomics of in-flight entertainment screens are not a concern of mine if I am trying to sleep or be comfortable. Take it up with the manufacturer or the airline if you've issues with it, not the person using their seat as designed.

If your personal usage of a laptop was an issue, it would have been addressed at the design stage of the airplane. You are flying economy, therefore you don't get the special treatment. Either upgrade to FC or accept what the rest of us peons deal with - cramped spaces made slightly more comfortable with a reclining seat.

As for the "your argument fails" part - same with the front passengers, who don't have anyone reclining against them. You pay economy, you get economic space. It's just how the world works. I've been there plenty of times, and there's nothing I can do about it - I just accept it. The world is not fair.

> same with the front passengers, who don't have anyone reclining against them. You pay economy, you get economic space

Front-row seats and exit row seats are paid upgrades because of the extra space. They aren't paying economy - they're paying slightly more.

That was my point. Front row seats cost more than the very back end row (which has no reclining functionality) because of extra leg room. Maybe it wasn't clear in how I phrased it.

> The space behind you is exactly the amount of space taken away from you by the front reclining seat. You can easily reclaim your stolen space by reclining yourself.

I'm going to give you an acre of land. Would you rather have a square 208 feet on a side, or a strip 1 foot wide by 43,560 feet long? They're exactly the same amount of space!