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Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by yawaworht1978 on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:25PM (#28279942)
I need something to reasonably explain to my wife that all these things don't work, the brand indoctrination is profound and the credit card bills hefty. Any good study on all the things that don't work?
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by goostavos on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:45PM (#28280221)
I think if you're coming at it from an angle where you're going to sit your wife down on the couch, show her some studies, and then wait for the "thank you for clarifying my thinking!" to roll in, you're doomed to fail / upset your SO.

I think the personality types you generally find in tech, which are so focused on what we can produce / output, don't understand that consumption is a perfectly valid hobby or interest for people to have.

I'd wager very few people actually buy the miracle claims on the products. I think they instead just find it fun. I gave my SO a lot of crap before realizing that some people just find stewardship of an object enjoyable. There's a whole subculture related to it. The ownership, displaying, and usage _is_ the hobby.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by nostromo on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:01PM (#28280433)
I doubt the majority of people using expensive skin care creams are actually doing it just for fun and not for any actual benefit.

It's more common to hear people say, "it probably isn't doing much, but you never know." This is similar to people buying lottery tickets, "I doubt I'll win, but you never know."

"I just enjoy it, ok?" is probably what someone would say to get rid of a pestering husband. :)

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by totetsu on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:33PM (#28282877)
More than a hobby, it's like a gender roleplaying ritual for identity construction. ( And class I guess if it's expensive. Same reason me think golf is fun)
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by Goronmon on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:14PM (#28281329)
I'd wager very few people actually buy the miracle claims on the products. I think they instead just find it fun. I gave my SO a lot of crap before realizing that some people just find stewardship of an object enjoyable. There's a whole subculture related to it. The ownership, displaying, and usage _is_ the hobby.

An alternative is that bringing up this type of topic ends up sounding like some form of:

"Hey, you know all that stuff that stresses you out everyday? Well, regarding one of the less important ones, you are doing it totally wrong and I want you to correct yourself."

Even you are technically right, there is very little upside to bringing it up, especially out of nowhere. Assuming, of course, they aren't doing anything wildly dangerous.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by mynameishere on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:34PM (#28282891)
More like, people want the illusion that they can make themselves more attractive. If you say the truth, "Well dear, your skin's current appearance is a combination of genetics and avoiding the sun," then you've basically said, "You can't undo the past, therefore all hope is lost. Also, you're stupid for thinking this cream can help you."
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by andreilys on Monday August 23, 2021 @08:03PM (#28283610)
consumption is a perfectly valid hobby or interest for people to have.

Not if there are negative externalities associated with this hobby (i.e. fast fashion) which leads to ecological collapse and depletion of resources.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by satellite2 on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:36PM (#28281574)
Additionally, most products contain water and glycerin which has evidence regarding skin hydration.

So most product will produce a small effect.

On top of that they smell good (rich), which is probably also an important part of the experience.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by mr-wendel on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:15PM (#28282691)
This comment is a wonderful template to consider. In my personal context, this would be about leaving a certain very-American religion and being the more-or-less first to take plunge: you really wanna share your "greater truth" and help those close to you unburden themselves by letting go of something so obviously false.

You really can't "red pill" people, and the closer they are to you the lower the chances of success.

You can, however, ask (non leading) questions and listen. If you can't start by being curious, don't expect them to make that leap first... and thats really where you have to start before you can change your mind.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by joshxyz on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:50AM (#28285521)
fully agree on this

its a completely emotional topic too, logic flew out the window already

theres a reason why marketers make huge bucks on cosmetics and diet pills.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by artichokes on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:08PM (#28281975)
> consumption is a perfectly valid hobby

No it is not.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by bigfudge on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:44PM (#28282382)
I agree with you but perhaps explain why. Taking pleasure in things we use seems healthy, but fast fashion etc and general consumer culture in the west seem psychologically suboptimal and are environmentally disastrous.
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by nostromo on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:48PM (#28280254)
Check out Examine, they also cover skin care topics.

https://examine.com/topics/wrinkles/

https://examine.com/topics/skin-quality/

https://examine.com/topics/skin-elasticity/

... among others.

Unfortunately there's not a lot of great science out there, which is crazy given that the cosmetics industry is nearing $0.5T annually.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by Bombthecat on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:58PM (#28281837)
I guess... Because the results would be devastating...
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by MandieD on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @06:08AM (#28286849)
Speaking as a wife who never understood the attraction of expensive beauty products but has friends who love some irrational things, you might want to let that one go, unless your spare time is dedicated to home improvement, caring for the less fortunate, and/or managing your investments, because you don’t own hardware suitable for gaming, a motorcycle or a high-performance car.

And even then, you probably still want to let that one go. You likely also spend/waste money and time in ways that your wife finds less than rational. We are socialized to nag you a bit about it, but ultimately, not to take action against our men’s “harmless” wastes of money and time.

Separate checking accounts are underrated. My grandfather kept one paycheck a month, out of which he paid the mortgage, and gave the other to my grandmother, who paid all the other household expenses. What happened to the rest in each of their accounts was pretty much their own business.

* if her brand loyalty is to something sold by an MLM, then you do have cause for intervention - “I can get a fantastic discount by becoming a seller!” is the trap that catches a lot of women.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by gumby on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:46PM (#28280228)
Because the science is so hard to do, the products are basically entertainment. If you think of it that way it's hard for me to get too upset -- when it's affordable.

Some products are flat out dangerous though, and regulation is scant.

When my MIL was dying of cancer eventually then sent her home and "prescribed" various homeopathic concoctions (German insurance covered all this). At first I was appalled but eventually realized that as there was nothing left to do for her, the homeopathic bottles of water were a form of palliative care: giving her a sense of agency. I came to realize that it was a kindness.

Wearing makeup is often less critical, but given how important appearance is in culture, literature, and stereotyping, providing a sense of agency can be of enormous psychological value.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by distantaidenn on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:49PM (#28280268)
I guess it depends on what type of skincare they are doing. My ex (Korean), had a 7 or 8 step routine each night. This is fairly normal for young women in Korea.

She explained it to me as such: it wasn't so much an anti-aging regime, as a protection from the elements regime -- in particular pollution, as South Korea has some trouble with seasonal fine dust. I suppose it makes sense. And for what its worth, her skin did have a healthy, shiny, glow after applying all the layers -- which is also part of the appeal.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by ornornor on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:15PM (#28281332)
Look at it this way: if it really had the long lasting effects that the ads wants you to believe it has, then it would be a medicine and wouldn’t be sold OTC.

Because it barely does anything at all and certainly won’t change your skin overtime, it doesn’t need FDA approval, isn’t prescription only, and isn’t a medicine.

It’s all marketing that makes you think it’s medical, but they never say it. They just advertise it with white lab coats, sciency sounding weasel words, mathematical looking curves and graphs… but it’s just overpriced and over marketed cream. Your brain is tricked into connecting the dots and concluding it’s medicine but they’ll never say it outright because they can’t because it’s not.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by nkozyra on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:32PM (#28281517)
> Look at it this way: if it really had the long lasting effects that the ads wants you to believe it has, then it would be a medicine and wouldn’t be sold OTC.

I think this is a little simplistic. The FDA isn't inherently interested in anything effective being deemed a drug, even when it comes to oral supplementation.

Plenty of non-medicine, non-FDA-regulated substances that work like medicines in some situations and do have real, repeatable effects are sold OTC.

Plenty of actual medicines that are FDA-regulated are sold OTC.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by heavyset_go on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:40PM (#28281629)
There are plenty of effective skin care products with active FDA approved ingredients that are also OTC. Salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide are two of them.
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by heavyset_go on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:35PM (#28281566)
If it's not causing harm, I'd just leave it. They probably like using the products and studies aren't going to change that.
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by v3rt3x on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:34PM (#28280065)
I second this.
Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by hellbannedguy on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:27PM (#28280762)
I've only seen one person venture into this battlefield, and it was a comedian doing a bit.

The guy is a very funny Aussie. It's Jim Jeffries. His bit went my girl comes to bed with oily skin from those pricy creams.

I tell her look at my face. Not a wrinkle, and I just use soap.

Anyway, when I saw a dermatologist in high school, for years it seemed? He would only recommend glycerin soap, and Certaphil if you have very dry skin. Benzoyl peroxide, erythromycin roll on lotion, and I was on erythromycin pills for bad acne. Think most pores blocked up. He detested dermatologists who sold out, and developed their own phony beauty creams.

This was when some doctors had integrity--80's? And it was starting to change.

Re:The only skin care that works? science video response (2020) by munchbunny on Monday August 23, 2021 @04:27PM (#28281456)
My experience with dermatologists has been the opposite. Over the last 2 decades, the dermatologists I've seen mostly just recommended pretty basic stuff like gentler unscented soaps, moisturizers in general, or Vaseline/Aquaphor. That's not including actual prescription drugs of course.