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Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by germinalphrase on Sunday August 22, 2021 @06:24PM (#28270270)
Search for a 750 watt motor. That is the upper limit in many countries for a standard commercial ebike. Bafang and Tongsheng both produce popular motors.
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by treis on Sunday August 22, 2021 @06:34PM (#28270371)
Google says those cruise at ~30mph.
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by dzhiurgis on Sunday August 22, 2021 @07:23PM (#28270695)
I had guy in lycra overtake me at that speed (slight downhill). He smiled and took off.
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by 1-more on Sunday August 22, 2021 @06:48PM (#28270470)
You can get really nerdy and calculate this the way triathletes/time trialists do with a tool like this[0]. I plugged in what I think my numbers are for mass and my relaxed ride CdA and on my road bike and you're on the money.

[0] http://www.aeroweenie.com/calc.html

Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by morganw on Sunday August 22, 2021 @08:44PM (#28271175)
That's really helpful. It predicts 534 Watts to get me (110kg, 0.4 CdA) to the 45kph limit for Class 3 California bikes.

The Grin Technologies motor simulator https://ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html predicts (the "Load Line") 837 Watts for "MTB upright", 648W for "MTB, Tuck" and 570W for "Road, Tuck".

I do find that in an upright position it takes 100-200W of human power in addition to 750W power measured at the input to the motor controller. The controller's pretty efficient, but the motor (GMAC) is only 85% max, so there's maybe 570W at the axle. The US CPSC and California laws aren't clear whether the 750W/1 horsepower limit is power in or power out, but power in is what shows on the display, so I limit it to that. Also, even a mild grade will cause the motor to approach the 70 deg C limit I chose after 1 minute. I live in the flattish Santa Clara County, but I'd definitely want a mid-drive if I lived in a hilly area. A 250 or 350W Riese & Müller Delite https://www.r-m.de/en-us/bikes/delite/ I test rode needed a lot of human power to hit the 45 kph max, but it climbed hills in Larkspur like a goat.

750W will have no problem getting a recumbent bike to 30MPH, but don't count on it for an upright.

Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by morganw on Sunday August 22, 2021 @08:48PM (#28271197)
Oh, and to see what 700W from a human looks like, an Olympic track cyclist toasts a piece of bread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by 1-more on Monday August 23, 2021 @01:25PM (#28279170)
Yep. Bradley Wiggins's 2015 velodrome hour world record was 440W (since eclipsed in distance but not power). This puts into perspective how cheap power is in the industrial age. His hour record was the equivalent power of 35 grams of gasoline. Or it's about 5 not great power tool batteries (eyeballing eBay listings). It's gonna be tough when we have a world built for nearly free energy and we don't have the free energy anymore.
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by loeg on Sunday August 22, 2021 @07:46PM (#28270839)
It's plausible. Pro riders put out 400-500W to do ~30 mph, but are likely in a more aerodynamic position than most ebike riders (or drafting).
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by shiftpgdn on Sunday August 22, 2021 @09:04PM (#28271285)
Pro riders can do 30mph at around 270-300W on a flat surface as they’re typically very skinny. I need about 350-450W to do 30mph as an 88kg/1.88M male.
Re:A DIY E-bike Conversion on the Cheap by germinalphrase on Sunday August 22, 2021 @07:53PM (#28270874)
Hm. You’re right. Bad suggestion. Overkill.