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Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by 542458 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @01:01PM (#28267215)
One thing to add here is that huge nonstop marathon drives are generally unsafe - most all people can’t maintain alertness for that long. I have done the 7-hour hell drive in the past, but I probably would have been better off had I been forced to stop for ten or twenty minutes every two hours or so.
Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by mft_ on Sunday August 22, 2021 @01:20PM (#28267453)
This.

Recently did an eight hour drive in a model 3. We stopped more frequently than the Tesla strictly required - once for a bathroom break and a quick coffee, once for food, and once for a more substantive charge.

The nice thing was that by timing the shorter stops to also be at a supercharger, we did the electric equivalent of a ‘splash and dash’ - we got ~2 x 15minutes of charging time ‘free’ - as we’d stopped anyway, and the additional time spent to plug in is about 30 seconds.

I suspect people who think that a Tesla would be substantively worse than an ICE car for long trips are either far edge-case car users… or are seriously underestimating them time they spend not driving during a long trip, and then compare that unrealistic best-case situation with the likely case for an EV.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by jasonwatkinspdx on Sunday August 22, 2021 @03:36PM (#28268767)
I cope with long haul driving better than nearly anyone I know. I still find the gas stop every 3.5 hours or so essential. I get out of the car, walk around a bit, get something to drink and a snack to eat, and it makes a huge impact in how I feel and how alert I am. I have no problem doing 18 hour days multiple days in a row so long as I do this.
Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by billfruit on Monday August 23, 2021 @08:38AM (#28274847)
This. long distance car travel is bad idea, anyway. It might be one of the unsafest means of getting from A to B.
Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by Theodores on Sunday August 22, 2021 @03:21PM (#28268598)
In the UK truck drivers:

a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes after no more than 4 hours 30 minutes driving

They are professional drivers.

To speed up EV adoption, improve road safety and make an attainable mileage goal for EVs we could use legislation to require a 30 minutes break after three hours of car driving.

This would be unpopular and initially hard to enforce, but if you were in an accident after driving without a break for six hours then you would not do it again as the law would make you the dangerous driver and your insurance would not help.

Trucks have a tachograph, this could be mandated for cars too.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by skeletal88 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @07:10PM (#28270621)
Well.. I would say something nasty to you for something so stupid, but I won't.

You want to force everyone to take a 30min break automatically? How about i want to drive somewhere that takes 3h50 ? Or whst if there are more drivers in the car and we can stop for a quick change of drivers? Or.. whatever. I agree that driving without pausing and resting is bad but your solution is worse. It is my car, i should be able to stop whenever i want to, not when some system tells me to.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by Theodores on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:30AM (#28274034)
On your roads you can do what you like.
Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by HWR_14 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @02:05PM (#28267878)
It's far easier to stop at a rest stop and rotate the person behind the wheel (time, 20 seconds) than stop and refresh a driver.
Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by _ph_ on Sunday August 22, 2021 @02:08PM (#28267906)
Whom are you running from?

Even if you can shorten the stop times by changing drivers, it is a big relief to get out of the car for at least a few minutes, literally stretch your legs, visit a bathroom and perhaps get a coffee or a snack.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by HWR_14 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @02:33PM (#28268140)
I mean, you may find it a big relief to get out. I prefer to get to my destination faster. Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location.

BTW: Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car? Those don't have to be purchased on route. You'll even get lower prices and a wider selection.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by _ph_ on Sunday August 22, 2021 @04:01PM (#28269024)
Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location.

I would assume, as the number of electric cars rises, more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating.

Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car?

As a German, I find the pure thought of doing so, horrend.

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by HWR_14 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @06:24PM (#28270271)
> more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating.

In the US, the infrastructure costs to get fast chargers next to most good restaurants is prohibitive. Especially good restaurants that are between major cities.

> As a German...

No wonder you are so opposed to the idea of a 6 hour journey without taking a break. In the US, a road trip usually involves planning to minimize total stops. It's not uncommon to bring snacks/drinks/coffee with you in thermoses/coolers.

(Also, nitpick, the word you want to use is "horrible" not "horrend" if you want to sound correct to the widest group of English speakers)

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by _ph_ on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:03AM (#28273918)
No wonder you are so opposed to the idea of a 6 hour journey without taking a break. In the US, a road trip usually involves planning to minimize total stops. It's not uncommon to bring snacks/drinks/coffee with you in thermoses/coolers.

(Also, nitpick, the word you want to use is "horrible" not "horrend" if you want to sound correct to the widest group of English speakers)

That was intentional, to create an exaggerated phrasing of the statement. Beyond stating a truth, that many Germans would consider it offensive to eat and drink in their cars, I also wanted to make some fun out of how protective some of them are, as well as making some fun of those, like Americans, who think their car is a great place to eat and drink :)

I am very aware of the differences in driving habits between Germany and the US, having driven in both (though not taken longer road trips in the US). There is certainly a significant size difference between the US and Germany, but considering how large the EU is and crossing borders inside the EU usually isn't any different from crossing state borders in the US, there would be large distances to drive in the EU too.

Still, I think road tripping is larger in the US. Might be interesting to consider the reasons for this. To a large part probably, because the open borders in the EU are a more recent thing. Also, because passenger trains are still a very important means of transportation. And in general, population density seems to be higher, it is very easy to find something interesting much more nearby. For Germany specifically, you also have to consider driving speeds. If traffic isn't too heavy, there are still many sections of the Autobahn without limits, so travelling at 100-120mph is quite common. Which on the one side makes for quicker progress but also, you don't want to try to eat or drink at those speeds :)

Re:Japan is holding back as the world rushes toward electric... by newbie2020 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @05:21PM (#28269746)
Switch drivers if traveling with another