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Re:George Mason professor wins Covid antibody lawsuit as vac... by CryptoPunk on Sunday August 22, 2021 @02:22AM (#28263357)
But vaccinated people face almost no risk from covid, so it doesn't affect them if people choose to not get vaccinated.

Moreover, the covid vaccines will not eliminate covid from the population, as the data from Iceland clearly shows:

https://twitter.com/eliaseythorsson/status/14240115421950238...

The virus will continue to circulate and impact every one regardless of what percentage of the population gets vaccinated.

tl;dr people who don't get vaccinated are only harming themselves.

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Re:George Mason professor wins Covid antibody lawsuit as vac... by CryptoPunk on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:00AM (#28273001)
But the virus spreads among the vaccinated any way.

Moreover, the global population of unvaccinated will not be meaningfully affected by any one country's decision to mandate vaccination. And the mutation rate is dependent on the size of the global population of virus carriers, not one country's.

So all-in-all, I see very weak justification for such a heavy handed mandate, no matter how useful I think vaccination is.

Re:George Mason professor wins Covid antibody lawsuit as vac... by junon on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:49AM (#28275656)
> But the virus spreads among the vaccinated any way.

At an incredibly reduced rate, and mutations generally do not spread to others.

> Moreover, the global population of unvaccinated will not be meaningfully affected by any one country's decision to mandate vaccination.

I don't see how that's relevant to my original response.

> And the mutation rate is dependent on the size of the global population of virus carriers, not one country's.

I don't follow. Mutations occur irrespective of any human constructs such as nations, countries, borders, etc.

> So all-in-all, I see very weak justification for such a heavy handed mandate, no matter how useful I think vaccination is.

Take the opposite case. Nobody vaccinates, we stop caring. What is the outcome?

Half-assed approaches will only slow, not stop, the pandemic. It's not very hard to think critically about this...

Re:George Mason professor wins Covid antibody lawsuit as vac... by rajin444 on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:56PM (#28284927)
> Take the opposite case. Nobody vaccinates, we stop caring. What is the outcome?

We’ll never know. We have no proper controls. Just because B comes after A does not mean A implies B.

I’m exaggerating (some of our measures seem performative, but it looks like vaccines do a good job preventing severe illness), but places like Sweden would be decent to look at. They’ve had much better outcomes with nowhere near the restrictions.

Re:George Mason professor wins Covid antibody lawsuit as vac... by CryptoPunk on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:47PM (#28284601)
>>At an incredibly reduced rate, and mutations generally do not spread to others.

It's a fast enough where Iceland is now experiencing its largest wave yet, despite having a nearly fully vaccinated population. And why would vaccination stop mutated strains from spreading?

>>I don't see how that's relevant to my original response.

It's relevant to whether any one country has cause to mandate vaccination.

>>Mutations occur irrespective of any human constructs such as nations, countries, borders, etc.

My point is that - even if vaccination affected the size of the infected population and thus the opportunity for the virus to mutate - one country's decision to vaccinate will not meaningfully affect the global vaccination rate and therefore the global mutation rate.