Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by lordnacho on Friday August 20, 2021 @02:38PM
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There's a funny section in I think Sapiens (Yuval Noah Harari?) where he quips that that wheat domesticated the naked ape. Got him to plow the fields, get rid of the rocks, sew the seeds...
I’m not sure where the idea came from, but Michael Pollan has also propagated in his books this idea that human beings have been domesticated by plants. See, The Botany of Desire.
Let's also keep in mind that brain size is not a proxy for cognitive ability. Ravens appear to be broadly as smart as chimpanzees despite their brains being 1/20th the size. Likewise neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens, which didn't stop them from being outcompeted.
those are just issues in how intelligence is measured. As far as Neanderthals, its my opinion they were smarter than us. we just came from down south (not effected by sudden surge in ice age) and higher birth rates. The intelligence of neanderthals keeps getting revised up every time we learn something about them.
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by makoConstruct on Saturday August 21, 2021 @05:37AM
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I've heard that there's archeological evidence that ancient sapiens engaged in long-distance trade, objects brought to places they shouldn't have been. Nothing like that was found with neanderthals. Not sure if this is due to having fewer samples of neanderthals, nor whether this reflects intelligence or something else (I think Harari or someone may have argued that it might be about eusocial myths enabling coordinating larger armies) but that's one contraindication.
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by rowanG077 on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:15PM
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Do you base your opinion on anything?
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by 3pt14159 on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:35PM
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I'm no where near a subject matter expert, but I thought there was a mild correlation within humans?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_and_intelligence#...
I take your point on ravens and chimps, but surely whales are more intelligent than shrimps.
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by mixmastamyk on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:54PM
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Are big people smarter than small people?
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by jhallenworld on Friday August 20, 2021 @07:34PM
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"I have no doubt that I am very stupid; but I must confess that I am unable to follow you. For example, how did you deduce that this man was intellectual?"
For answer Holmes clapped the hat upon his head. It came right over the forehead and settled upon the bridge of his nose. "It is a question of cubic capacity," said he; "a man with so large a brain must have something in it."
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by the_jeremy on Friday August 20, 2021 @07:31PM
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> Some epidemiological research on the subject has shown that there is a small but statistically significant positive correlation between height and intelligence after controlling for socioeconomic class and parental education
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by makoConstruct on Saturday August 21, 2021 @05:42AM
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General health is still a probable shared cause here, they're going to need to control for more than just socioeconomic class and parental education.
What happens, for instance, if they control for stamina (I'd predict the effect goes away)
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by itsyaboi on Friday August 20, 2021 @05:47PM
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As a rule of thumb, yes.
(children vs adults)
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by Smithalicious on Friday August 20, 2021 @05:24PM
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AFAIK essentially yes, this is a popular (?) theory. The benefit of neoteny in humans is the retention of learning abilities, the human ability to learn doesn't decrease as much with age as it does in other animals
Re:Animals changed by proximity to humans
by rtkaratekid on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:25PM
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This idea is approached in an interesting way in the book “Against the Grain” by James C. Scott.
I am not being glib, but I wonder if this is what happened to humans. allow me to explain. As short as 5,000 years ago, our brains were 10% bigger, our jaws were bigger, and our size was smaller. The former 2 have been associated with diet, but the shrinking brain is still debated. Maybe its simple though. Maybe humans domesticated humans.