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Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by PragmaticPulp on Friday August 20, 2021 @10:38AM (#28246542)
If Uber was tripling prices when the battery level fell below 20% (like this Tweet) then more people would have noticed it by now.

I think this is an obvious case of someone attributing market-rate fluctuations to the only metric they can personally see with their own eyes: Their battery level. They can’t see Uber’s network of available drivers and other factors that influence the rate, so they overweight the only data point they can see.

This is similar to the phenomenon where people have a verbal discussion about a topic and then coincidentally see an ad for that product in an app later. When we see 10s or 100s of ads per day, it’s inevitable they we’ll randomly see an ad for something we’ve been discussing. Yet some people see these coincidences and wrongly conclude that their phones are listening to their every word, using AI to parse it out (without draining their battery), and then sending those keywords to an ad server for targeting. It has been debunked many times over but it’s still a commonly held belief that all of your phone apps are listening to your conversations.

It can be difficult to convince some people that coincidences are really just coincidences. Especially in this era where Big Tech has an incredible evil reputation in the journalism and media we consume.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by thrav on Friday August 20, 2021 @10:59AM (#28246794)
I was in this exact situation last weekend. 3% battery, lost a couple drivers to cancellation (going Marina to Marin), and thought I was done for. Would’ve paid any price, but what they were quoting me felt incredibly reasonable the entire time, and around bar closing time on a Friday, no less. ($60 to San Anselmo)
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by almost_usual on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:23AM (#28247093)
Almost sounds like you’re trying to get stranded in the city. Out at bar close and needing a ride to San Anselmo? Good luck next time.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by hellbannedguy on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:46AM (#28247361)
I' in SA too.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by kodah on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:39AM (#28247267)
My theory is different from yours but only slightly. Companies have no use for recording your voice.

1. Audio streaming is expensive and requires lots of storage, even if ephemeral, to be done widely.

2. Natural Language Parsing and transcription is fraught with errors. Go read your visual voicemail sometime.

This, to me, is enough to close the book on this theory.

What is entirely possible is this:

Two individuals have a discussion. This discussion results is one of the individuals searching for a product in a store or online (some stores, like a famous hardware store) can detect proximity to certain items. If they can correlate interest based on a linked (or brokered) profile then they have ascertained that person A is engaged with said item. Targeted advertising is such that it is possible for you to be shown items based on your own interests, but it's also possible you're part of a larger network. Again, all a hypothesis and one hard to prove at that.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by FDSGSG on Friday August 20, 2021 @10:42AM (#28246599)
This is similar to the incredibly common meme that Instagram and other social media apps are secretly using the microphone to spy on you for advertising purposes.

Most people are just stupid, nothing new here.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by alexanderdmitri on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:13AM (#28246957)
I don't think it's that people are stupid. Blindly trusting these apps to not take advantage or mishandle their access to personal data is also naive.

It's possible to do business without scanning your customer's faces, tracing their contacts, selling details of their transactions to aggregators, etc ... where does the line get drawn?

And that doesn't even address data that is "accidentally" collected.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by natch on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:22AM (#28247081)
People may not be stupid but they are extremely gullible and they also love hating on some perceived bad guy or corporation.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by hkt on Friday August 20, 2021 @10:59AM (#28246798)
And yet after a whatsapp call I'll be advertised things I'd never mentioned by any other medium. It is striking.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by vntok on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:08AM (#28246904)
Nah. You think that you have never mentioned or searched those things, but in reality you're just starting to recognize them as soon as your call ends because your brain has been primed to pay more attention.

This is the same phenomenon as driving with other people and suddenly asking out loud "Hey let's find such or such type of car". Whatever the make (within reason), you'll probably start finding out a bunch of them. That's because you start paying attention, of course, not because there's suddenly a surge of people driving them at the exact time you're looking for them.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by natch on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:19AM (#28247045)
There are other ways to accomplish that without a microphone. Hint: there was another party on your call other than yourself, and their behavior (on the web for example, where you may be linked as friends on the same social media sites) can provide signals you are unaware of, that suggest things about their friends including you.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by FDSGSG on Friday August 20, 2021 @12:28PM (#28247922)
This should be easy to prove by reverse engineering the WhatsApp application.

If someone could come up with proof of this, they'd probably be set for life in one way or another. Perhaps they could monetize the information by collaborating with short-sellers, or simply kickstart a career using the massive media attention.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by puszczyk on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:17AM (#28247014)
WhatsApp call are end-to-end encrypted. Do you think they aren’t? (All, only yours?)
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by lloydatkinson on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:45AM (#28247342)
If they did it even with a 0.001% chance of it happening that would still be enough to earn them extra profit. They aren't going to be stupid enough to do it every single time.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by rozab on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:29AM (#28247161)
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by gnabgib on Friday August 20, 2021 @12:05PM (#28247605)
A thread about Dungeon crawl eh? Maybe you meant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28217897
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by rozab on Friday August 20, 2021 @02:55PM (#28249948)
No, that's what I meant to link. Melee damage was accidentally doubled for 2 whole weeks and not and nobody noticed. Those players play extremely close attention to stats and such.

The post goes on to talk about how and why many changes and behaviours can go unnoticed, and I think the whole episode disproves the parent posters initial point.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by lupire on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:06AM (#28246883)
Low battery is correlated to lateness of time of day, which is correlated to barhoppers needing cabs and driver unavailability.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by yborg on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:30AM (#28247172)
Time of day is also correlated with time of day, why would Uber use the battery level?
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by Kranar on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:42AM (#28247300)
I think you're agreeing with OP, namely that it's not battery usage that is causing the price hike, it's time of day that's causing it and the battery life is correlated.
Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by dmix on Friday August 20, 2021 @12:37PM (#28248053)
I've heard so many people say they think iPhones are 'listening to them talk' because they'll talk about some product then go on Instagram/Google and see an advertisement for that type of product. Obviously they were just targeted really well and missed some other data connection.

Humans are good at pattern matching to notice trends but non-technical people always tend to blame something higher up in the stack, like the device in their hand. Or jump to something more malicious by the all-knowing powerful big tech companies.

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by gmadsen on Friday August 20, 2021 @02:27PM (#28249625)
they don't. I think you are just misunderstanding the comment. The poster was saying people might assume its related to battery level since it is correlated to time of day, which does have an effect on prices.

He was making a comment about wrongly thinking causation from the situation

Re:Uber prices seem to increase when phone battery is low by achow on Friday August 20, 2021 @11:53AM (#28247443)
The screenshot indicates it was around 5PM, and on Mon (based upon the tweet).

Surge price for Mon office commute, triple than normal?