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Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by robertoandred on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:29AM (#28234258)
iMessage already analyzes your messages to preview urls, show YouTube videos, highlight dates, etc. Are those also backdoors?
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by coconut_man on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:34AM (#28234322)
I don't think so, it doesn't really need to "analyze" your messages to do preview urls, show videos... Those are more like frontend stuff IMO
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by UncleMeat on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:02AM (#28234706)
But people are mad precisely because the CSAM scanning is being done as "frontend stuff".
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by josteink on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:54AM (#28235419)
And then automatically reported to some backend, which reports to the police.

That’s a wee bit different from showing YouTube previews imo.

Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by robertoandred on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:59AM (#28234679)
No more frontend than running a basic subject recognition on a photo.
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by blitzar on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:08AM (#28234796)
A bit like on-device machine learning features, like object detection in images and video, language analysis, and sound classification?
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by robertoandred on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:26AM (#28235067)
Yup. Apple made a recognition model around sexually explicit images and locally runs opted-in child accounts' images against it: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/vision/training_a_...
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by blitzar on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:32AM (#28235139)
Funily enough my quote was from their on device machine learning api released in 2017 - https://developer.apple.com/machine-learning/api/
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by whydoineedthis on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:14AM (#28234907)
I don't think it reports those links back to big brother though. Keen difference.
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by tpush on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:19AM (#28234967)
I doesn't do that with sexually explicit images on iMessage either.
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by whydoineedthis on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:12PM (#28236494)
The rest of the csam monitoring does. And nice that you abuse your karma to downvote people who don't agree with you.
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by tpush on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:52PM (#28240349)
There is no 'rest of CSAM monitoring'. The CSAM stuff is totally separate from the iMessage stuff we're discussing here.

> And nice that you abuse your karma to downvote people who don't agree with you.

I did not downvote you; not that you be able to tell if I did, anyway.

Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by whydoineedthis on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:00PM (#28241572)
Literally the first sentence under the article headline

"More than 90 policy and rights groups ask company to abandon plans for scanning phones of adults for images of child sex abuse.". Maybe YOU weren't talking about csam, but everyone else was including the article author, if you even read it.

Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by tpush on Friday August 20, 2021 @07:13AM (#28244778)
This particular thread and your own comments in this thread are about iMessage, with your comment implying it reports sexually explicit images to "big brother".

I pointed out that's not true (that's probably why other people downvoted your comment) and that you're apparently confusing the iMessage stuff with the CSAM scanning stuff which, as I already said, are completely separate from each other.

Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by josteink on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:55AM (#28235429)
And how will you know?
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by 0x000000001 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:27AM (#28235086)
but they're literally one if-statement away from doing so
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by npteljes on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:03PM (#28235539)
How do they manage the previews? Skype, for one, uses their servers to get the preview. Vastly different from a client-side preview (which some people wouldn't want either).
Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by skygazer on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:44PM (#28236915)
iMessage link preview images are generated by the sender.

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/tn2444...