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Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by hoten on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @08:21PM (#28228913)
It's probably a good thing you removed it, because I bet if the SEC were bothered enough they could argue that NOT changing your standing order is possibly informed by insider knowledge. No idea if that is actually something they'd try to argue though.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by hermitdev on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:25PM (#28229304)
Hands-off standing orders are typically fine with the SEC and are actually preferred to actively trading if there's even a remote possibility of being exposed to insider info. But, I'm not a lawyer and this isn't advise. Talk to your lawyer and investment advisor about any compliance issues.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by yieldgap on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:04PM (#28229532)
The problem is unless they account for it, their trade could trigger during a 'blackout period' (before earnings) when they shouldn't be executing any trades at all.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by loeg on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:11PM (#28229928)
Blackout periods have no SEC standing. They're purely a construction by your employer to avoid the appearance of trading on MNPI. Standing order trades (e.g., rule 105b-1) can execute at any time relative to earnings.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by yieldgap on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:30PM (#28230055)
True
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vxNsr on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:18PM (#28229609)
Not quite. Most executives and board members have standing orders for their own company (usually sell x amount every y days), this way they can’t be accused of doing something illicit.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by elliekelly on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:33PM (#28229701)
There is a bit of a grey area with respect to insider trading and cancelling a standing 10b5-1 order and the SEC has recently commented that they’ll be looking at those foregone transactions with more scrutiny in the near future: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2021/06/25/gensler-plans-to-...
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vmception on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @08:36PM (#28229005)
So would changing it to potentially avoid losses.

They should have removed all orders the day they became an employee.

I know high frequency trading firms that are heavily inconvenienced by insider knowledge. They have to shut down so many things. Securities Insider trading is really tricky in the US as it isn't a specific law specifically about insider trading, only a bunch of court cases by the securities regulators that they sometimes won.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:38PM (#28229373)
I'm confused by this sentence: <<<I know high frequency trading firms that are heavily inconvenienced by insider knowledge.>>>

Normally, HFT firms don't care about insider trading. They are trading "noise" -- finding signals from past and present trading activity to make small bets that are 51% likely to be successful. They manage risk very carefully. This is not a secret. Cliff Asness from AQR Capital has given multiple long-form interviews on this topic. You can Google to find podcasts and printed articles.

On the other hand, long-short hedge funds, such as Steven Cohen's legendary Point72, love insider information! It is the backbone of their business model. The best ones employ an onion-like defense strategy to launder inside information as legitimate analyst reports. Only the outermost layer is directly transacting in insider information. As the information moves closer to the center -- real traders -- it is carefully masked to hide its origin. The SEC was never able to catch Steven Cohen, but they caught many, many people around him and eventually forced his original fund to close.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vmception on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:31PM (#28230062)
HFT firms don't care about insider trading. If they get exposed to it anyway, they have to shut down their active trading in that specific security for some time, and exclude it. Its not the only thing many firms do.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:39AM (#28231944)
In practice, there is no way to reliably know why a stock is changing price. There is lots of insider trading that is so small it does not materially impact the trading prices. As of date, there is no scientifically reliable way to measure "market impact" real-time. I assume the best HFT funds are trying to do this using AI/ML.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vmception on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#28234424)
Right, and that’s not a factor in insider trading charges.

If a firm - that also has an agnostic active trading strategy - gets any inside info they have to cut the active trading strategy for liability reasons. That’s a conclusion some firms have made, not whether the SEC will actually bother them in a quantum reality or whether they can successfully defend it.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by sydthrowaway on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:23PM (#28230001)
Where on the spectrum is RenTech?
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:32AM (#28231902)
I assume you mean Renaissance Technologies. I categorise it as pure HFT. They are not taking long-short technical or macro positions in their main fund -- that I know. (Others: Please correct me if they have other funds, or changed strategies in last few years.)

That said, RenTech was under intense scrutiny by SEC and IRS for their incredibly aggressive tax strategy. I did not follow it to the end.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by sydthrowaway on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:53AM (#28232040)
Medallion fund? I thought it was stat-arb.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:23AM (#28232183)
Interesting point/question.

First: Yes, Medallion fund is the primary fund of RenTech.

Second: To me, stat-arb can be HFT or non-HFT. They were/are doing HFT stat-arb in Medallion fund. AQR, Virtu, and Citadel are probably doing both HFT and non-HFT stat-arb. Twenty years ago stat-arb was called "pairs trading". Today, it is much more complex: basket vs basket.