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Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:38PM (#28229373)
I'm confused by this sentence: <<<I know high frequency trading firms that are heavily inconvenienced by insider knowledge.>>>

Normally, HFT firms don't care about insider trading. They are trading "noise" -- finding signals from past and present trading activity to make small bets that are 51% likely to be successful. They manage risk very carefully. This is not a secret. Cliff Asness from AQR Capital has given multiple long-form interviews on this topic. You can Google to find podcasts and printed articles.

On the other hand, long-short hedge funds, such as Steven Cohen's legendary Point72, love insider information! It is the backbone of their business model. The best ones employ an onion-like defense strategy to launder inside information as legitimate analyst reports. Only the outermost layer is directly transacting in insider information. As the information moves closer to the center -- real traders -- it is carefully masked to hide its origin. The SEC was never able to catch Steven Cohen, but they caught many, many people around him and eventually forced his original fund to close.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vmception on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:31PM (#28230062)
HFT firms don't care about insider trading. If they get exposed to it anyway, they have to shut down their active trading in that specific security for some time, and exclude it. Its not the only thing many firms do.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:39AM (#28231944)
In practice, there is no way to reliably know why a stock is changing price. There is lots of insider trading that is so small it does not materially impact the trading prices. As of date, there is no scientifically reliable way to measure "market impact" real-time. I assume the best HFT funds are trying to do this using AI/ML.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by vmception on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#28234424)
Right, and that’s not a factor in insider trading charges.

If a firm - that also has an agnostic active trading strategy - gets any inside info they have to cut the active trading strategy for liability reasons. That’s a conclusion some firms have made, not whether the SEC will actually bother them in a quantum reality or whether they can successfully defend it.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by sydthrowaway on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:23PM (#28230001)
Where on the spectrum is RenTech?
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:32AM (#28231902)
I assume you mean Renaissance Technologies. I categorise it as pure HFT. They are not taking long-short technical or macro positions in their main fund -- that I know. (Others: Please correct me if they have other funds, or changed strategies in last few years.)

That said, RenTech was under intense scrutiny by SEC and IRS for their incredibly aggressive tax strategy. I did not follow it to the end.

Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by sydthrowaway on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:53AM (#28232040)
Medallion fund? I thought it was stat-arb.
Re:SEC charges Netflix insider trading ring by throwaway2037 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:23AM (#28232183)
Interesting point/question.

First: Yes, Medallion fund is the primary fund of RenTech.

Second: To me, stat-arb can be HFT or non-HFT. They were/are doing HFT stat-arb in Medallion fund. AQR, Virtu, and Citadel are probably doing both HFT and non-HFT stat-arb. Twenty years ago stat-arb was called "pairs trading". Today, it is much more complex: basket vs basket.